Thursday, November 6, 2008

Thoughts About the 2008 Election

Dr. David R. ReaganBy Dr. David R. Reagan

Our nation has just elected the most pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-Capitalist, and anti-Israel president in our history. In short, God has given us the kind of leader that we deserve — the kind we have been begging for. The new President now has the power to put his radical secular imprint upon this nation for decades to come through the appointment of activist liberals to the Supreme Court. I fear that our nation has been irrevocably changed for the worse.

Two factors in this election were particularly disappointing to me. First was the fact that only 59% of eligible voters bothered to vote. That was less than in the last presidential election. How could people be so apathetic in an election so important? The second voting statistic that hit me hard was the revelation that even among self-identified Evangelicals, the majority voted according to economic considerations rather than moral ones.

The financial woes of our nation are not going to be solved by any economic strategy, for they are rooted in our spiritual rebellion against God. We cannot kill babies in their mother's wombs, promote same-sex marriage, produce filthy movies and TV programs, worship the dollar, and pressure Israel to give up its heartland, and expect God to bless our economy. Our economy will be healed only when we as a nation get right with God.

Our Recent Financial Collapse

In 2003 I wrote a book about the United States in Bible prophecy. It was entitled, America the Beautiful? In that book I presented several scenarios to explain why the United States was not mentioned in end time Bible prophecy. I stated at the time that the one I thought would be most likely would be a catastrophic financial collapse. That conclusion was based on the fact that the god of our nation has become money, and the true God of this world is a jealous God. I felt like our Creator would sooner or later touch our false god and destroy it if we did not repent.

On September 29th when the stock market dropped 777 points on the eve of Rosh Hashana (the Jewish New Year), I could see the hand of God all over the event.

The number of points the stock market fell is significant. Seven is the number of perfection and completion. It was on the seventh day that God rested from His creation activities. Six is the number of Man, for it was on the sixth day that Man was created. 666 is the Satanic symbol of Man exalted. 777 is the spiritual symbol of the Trinity.

The timing of the stock market crash was also significant since it fell on the eve of an important Jewish holiday. George W. Bush was the first President to call for the establishment of a Palestinian state in the heartland of Israel. Joel 3:2 says that God will severely judge any nation in the end times that attempts to divide the land of Israel.

How God Deals With Nations

As I pointed out in my book about the U.S. in prophecy, the Bible reveals that God has a pattern for dealing with nations. He is the one who creates them, and He is the one who decides when they are to cease to exist. He blesses as they are obedient to His Word, and He disciplines when they stray from His Word. His discipline will first of all take the form of raising up prophetic voices to call the nation to repentance. If this fails, He will resort to remedial judgments. Those judgments can take many forms, such as natural disasters, economic calamities, and defeat in wars. And sometimes a remedial judgment can take the form of giving to a nation the kind of evil leadership it deserves. If the nation still refuses to repent, God will deliver it from judgment to destruction.

God began to call this nation to repentance following the cultural revolution of the 1960's. He raised up prophetic voices like David Wilkerson, and when we paid no attention, He began to place remedial judgments upon our nation. The attacks of 9/11 were a major wake-up call. It is no accident that those attacks were against the Twin Towers in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. — the symbols of American wealth and power. But like a sleepy person who is too groggy to wake-up, we simply turned off the alarm clock, rolled over and went back to sleep. Hurricane Katrina was another national wake-up call, in response to our forcing Israel to withdraw from Gaza.

And now, God has touched our god, and our economy is in shambles. The prospect for it improving is very slim. The newly elected President has promised higher taxes and protective tariffs. The last time a President resorted to such measures in response to a financial crisis, the result was the Great Depression.

The Christian Response

What are we as Christians to do in the face of such set-backs for our nation? We are to pray and stand for righteousness. We must pray for national revival, and at the same time, we must be willing to take a stand for righteousness by speaking out boldly about the moral rot that has infected the soul of our country. We need to pray that God will frustrate, confuse, and defeat all the efforts to further secularize our nation and promote immorality.

We also need to pray for the salvation of our new President and all his family members. Despite his protestations to the contrary, Barack Obama is not a Christian, nor has he ever been. I can say that with confidence because he is a member of the most liberal Christian denomination, the United Church of Christ. This is a church that denies the divinity of Jesus and denies His statement in John 14:6 that He is the only way to God. No one can be saved apart from Jesus, and no one can be saved by putting their faith in a false Jesus.

Another prayer priority should be Israel. Let us pray that God will raise up a new leader in Israel who will have the strength to stand against American pressure to surrender the heartland of the country to the enemies of God.

Repentance or Destruction?

Some of the saddest verses in the Bible are the ones concerning the fate of the nation of Judah. They are recorded in 2 Chronicles 36:15-17:

15 ) And the LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place;

16) but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, until there was no remedy.

17) Therefore He brought up against them the king of the Chaldeans who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion on young man or virgin, old man or infirm; He gave them all into his hand.

This will be our fate as a nation if we continue with our rebellion against God and His Word. Keep in mind that, just like Judah, our fate will be a severe one if we refuse to repent, because to those to whom much is given, much is expected (Luke 12:48). Also, we are told that God repays double for the sins of those who are richly blessed (Isaiah 40:2).

Facing the Future

Should we face the future with despair? No! We are living in the most significant era since the First Coming of the Messiah. We are living in the season of the Lord's return. We are privileged to be witnessing the fulfillment of end time prophecies all around us, prophecies that point to the soon return of our Lord.

There are dark days ahead for our nation and the world. Christians in particular are facing increasing persecution. We need to steel our minds and fasten our hope on things eternal, just as the prophet Daniel did when he was forced to live in a wicked society. We need to strengthen our spiritual armor through prayer and immersion in the Scriptures.

And we need to remember that Psalm 2 says that God sits in the heavens and laughs at all the machinations of the world's political leaders. He isn't laughing because He doesn't care. He is laughing because He has the wisdom and power to orchestrate all the evil of Man and Satan to the triumph of His perfect will in history. And that will is that Jesus Christ will reign in glory and majesty from Mount Zion in Israel, and the whole world will be flooded with peace and righteousness, as the waters cover the seas.

Maranatha! (1 Corinthians 16:22)

[Note: My book, America the Beautiful?, is currently out of stock. A new 3rd edition of the book is being prepared and should be ready for distribution early in 2009.]


Debbie O said...

Thanks Dr. Reagan, You are a voice of reason in this chaotic world right now. I attend church with some who are "thrilled" that Obama is our next president. Personally I have felt like mourning.... [Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.]

This election has really opened my eyes to how little regard many have for God and his Word....and while the world rejoices over Obama being elected I can't help but feel disappointed/ashamed....
and yes I will continue lifting our government and country up before the Lord....especially for His mercy and extended grace....
Blessings, Debbie O

MommaofMany said...

Thank you for this article. I am ashamed before God for my country's choice. We are marching quickly toward Hell. Maranatha!

Anonymous said...

These last two blog posts by Dr. Reagan and Nathan are extraordinary and critical. Obamaa's win is a judgement against this nation. A nation I no longer recognize. Let all of us Christian be prepared and ready because the Lord is coming for us soon. That is the ONLY hope we have left. This world is now officially one of total evil. Look out're going to be getting exactly what you've wanted and exactly what you deserve. There is no more speculation. We ARE in the end times. PRAISE THE LORD! HIS ETERNAL REIGN ON EARTH IS NEAR!

Anonymous said...

Hitler's reign was a preview of the anti-christ with it's descrutive conquest, attack of the Jews and even a mark of that beast Hitler (the swastika). Obama's win was a preview of the unbelivable rise to power of an unknown who pretends to be things he is not. Now the world is about to be introduced to the world leader that is has been seeking. As soon as we Christians are raptured the anti-christ is going to come to the world and Obama and all his admirers will just fall in love with this creature of evil incarnate. Thank God we won't be here to see this last chapter of the history of man come to pass.

Anonymous said...

I give thanks to God that at the very least my state (Calif) voted to ban gay marriage. Praise God for that!!!

Anonymous said...

In my rants against the evil I have to remember what the Bible tells us: "Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." I will still stand up against evil but I will leave the punishment of evil to God, for He shall be the avenger via His judgement and His wrath. We need to focus on the Lord, to do His will, and look for His return. Please, Lord, come quickly.

Dani' El said...

Mr. Reagan,
You missed a couple of things.
The judgment of the great "giving over" that we are witnessing.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

For over 3 years now, I have suffered violence ever arrest to bring this message.

I am a Messianic Jew living in San Fransodom, CA and I am sent by God to declare this truth.

The judment of SF and LA, the end times Sodom and Gomorrah is at hand.

Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

To God's elect in CA (how few we are!)
Remember Lot's wife!

Anonymous said...

All of you are a crazy lot! I Believe in a GOOD and LOVING GOD! Not the fire and brimstone kind. I believe we are put here to have compassion and to help each other. It is not our ROLE to judge peoples beliefs. Instead of putting all your negative energies on predicting the end of times, your focus should be on how you can give you part in helping your neighbors! I will pray that you will find some inner peace!

Dani' El said...

Oh I have inner peace all right. Even in the face of the extreme wickedness I see everyday here in Sodom, CA.

2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

But it seems you believe in an idol. God does not change and He is the same God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. If He doesnt do the same to SF and LA?
He owes S&G and apology.

Anonymous said...

I have TOTAL inner peace because I know the one true God, the God of Abraham, and His Son, Jesus Christ. I know God is a just God and He will send His Son Jesus to take believers in the rapture to be with Him during which time the wrath, yes WRATH of God shall be unleashed against an evil world. Jesus to shall return in glory and wrath, yest WRATH, and defeat the forces of evil. Yes, that gives me the greatest inner peace anyone could have. By the way, I just love how you say don't judge and the you call us all a "crazy lot". We aren't crazy, we have been blessed to know, understand and believe the TRUTH, for if it were not true Jesus would not tell us. I suggest you spend a lot of time in study with the resources available at this web site and pray to God to help you understand the truth. Because once you discover the truth you too, like us, shall have real, true inner peace through the faith in Jesus to His church.

Nathan Jones said...

I'm not sure who's saying who because so many are using the Anonymous feature. Please feel free to post your name or make a fun name up in the Name field.

Because we're humans made in the image of God, like Him we feel both compassion and seek justice done for evil. Bible prophecy relays the final story of God bringing justice - but in love. The judgments of Revelation are meant primarily to bring people to a saving relationship with Him. Only the hardest set in their rebellion and refusal to accept Jesus' salvation end up in the final judgment - the Lake of Fire. Very well millions could come out of the Tribulation alone as sons and daughter of God - the very people our sense of justice now "want" to "die and go to hell."

We, too, must desire justice, but follow God's motive that the suffering and punishment is to bring the lost to Him in love (Heb. 12:6).

Let us too reach out in love to bring about revival and reclaim a Christian culture.

Billy said...

I think a lot of our posts are a release of the frustration we have as we witness the world's rebellion against God in an open and joyous manner. The witnessing of America becoming a European type secular nation is unbearable for us. Like the blood of a murder victim crying out for justice to God, we too are crying out to God for justice against an evil world. Of course, we ourselves have contributed to this state, but we know better, we recognize our sin, we agonize over our iniquity and pray for forgiveness, repent and then rejoice in the redemption of the blood of the Lamb. The evil in the world however rejoices in it's freedom to partake in this evil without remorse in an open rebellion against God. One last point...I've argued before that go to church isn't that critical, that is won't save your soul. While true that it is the blood of Christ and not church attendance that saves souls, I was wrong to dismiss church attendance as trivial. I now understand that dwindling church attendance is a major factor in the decline of this nation into the secular nightmare we now face. Had church attendance remained strong we wouldn'g be in the state we are in today.

Rev. Chuck Currie said...

Sadly, you have misrepresented the United Church of Christ. I invite your readers to visit our website at to learn more about this Christian church.

Rev. Chuck Currie

Nathan Jones said...

Back in January I went to Rev. Wright’s church’s (Trinity United Church of Christ) website. I found the church is less on worshipping God and more on social advancement based on the doctrinal statement that used to be at The church has since updated their website, and now I cannot find any doctrinal statement. I was dismayed to find the name "Jesus" wasn’t even on any of their beliefs. The theology is "Liberation Theology," which historically is universalistic, denying Jesus is the only way to heaven. Obama himself made the same statement during the Saddleback forum this summer.

If you can find anything about Jesus and salvation beyond social justice projects on the UCC’s website, please post the link.

Dani' El said...

"Jesus was a poor black man!"
Jeremiah Wright.

Wright is wrong.
Black liberation theology is marxism with a thin christian camoflauge.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

The UCC and many, many others are the very fulfillment of the great falling away or apostasy of the end times.

Obama is pro-abortion, pro-sodomy, and supports tne division of Israel.
Know him by his works.

Billy said...

Nathan, good call. I too know that the Trinity United Church of Christ made changes to its website when the light of truth shone upon it. They are now masking who they really are, which is exactly what Obama has done all along. Dani'el, great point...we know Obama by his REAL stance on issues when he admits them to crowds in San Francisco then pretends to be something else to the rest of the blind followers out there.

dani' el said...

"rev" chuck currie wrote-
Sadly, you have misrepresented the United Church of Christ. I invite your readers to visit our website at to learn more about this Christian church.

Rev. Chuck Currie

I did a bit of research Mr. Currie, and it seems that you are the one misrepresenting yourself as a christian church.

On your own website, I saw female pastors, LGBT (sodomite) inclusive ministries, a letter bemoaning the passing of Prop 8 (sodomite marriage) and nothing about the Gospel of repentance and faith in Messiah Yeshua.

Be zealous therefore and repent!
Those who do evil in the name of the Lord face the greater condemnation.

Anonymous said...

I have sent a e-mail to Brother Reagan before the election. This dream I had on August 2006. In that dream I saw a list of presidents of USA after Bush to 2066. List contains the First Name, Party, number of terms. I saw the name Barack, his number of terms 8 Years, Democrat. However there were a note where he was not going to finish his Eigth year. But it will not reveal to what it is. Then the second name on the list was Charlie, Republican, one Term ( 4 years ). and the List countinues to the year 2066. The first thing is already fullfilled, we are just waiting 8 more years if that get fullfilled. Then somthing is going to happened in 2066 to USA that will not have more presidents or it will become part of some other goverment. Who knows. Be prepared in our lives and we have to live a pious lives.

-Noe ( Noha ) Martinez

Nathan Jones said...

Noe, the gift of prophecy today is the urgent proclamation of the Gospel in light of Jesus' soon return and a greater discernment about the Bible's end-time prophecies as they relate to current events.

As the Bible is the completion of God's revelation to man, any dreams, visions or such outside of the Bible in this Church Age cannot be taken with even a grain of salt. Sorry.

"Amen" to Christians living lives worthy of God (Col. 1:10; 1 Thes. 2:12)!

Anonymous said...

Obviously written by Republicans---disgruntled Republicans who believe that God is a Republican, and condemns Democrats to Hell...they put the democrats so far below them, and have made statements from their pulpits that "If God could have voted, he would have voted for McCain." They have yet to show me in the Bible that God is a registered Republican! Their buddy George W. did a fine job....they are still proud of him....Let's wait and see what President Obama does for our country.

Billy said...

Anonymous, obviously you are pleased with the election of a pro-baby klling and pro-homosexual politician. Conservatives happen to have a different value system from liberals. Our values are based on the Word of God. Liberal values are based on individual opinion and/or a dishonest interpretation of the Word (hence Obama's pro-abortion and pro-homosexual positions). I wouldn't support any politician, Democrat or Republican, who values are not based on the true Word of God.

Dani' El said...

Amen billy!
Tho' most of us have seen that the Reps were only paying us lip service, I could never vote for someone who boasts in their sin.

I'm neither Rep or Dem or Independant.
I'm a Monarchist Messianic Jew.

King Yeshua on David's throne!!

Author said...

Dr. Reagan said above

"We also need to pray for the salvation of our new President and all his family members. Despite his protestations to the contrary, Barack Obama is not a Christian, nor has he ever been. I can say that with confidence because he is a member of the most liberal Christian denomination, the United Church of Christ."

Apostle Paul said "1 Corinthians 12:3 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

And at the Saddleback Forum Obama said "OBAMA: As a starting point, it means I believe in — that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I am redeemed through him. That is a source of strength and sustenance on a daily basis. Yes, I know that I don’t walk alone. And I know that if I can get myself out of the way, that I can maybe carry out in some small way what he intends. And it means that those sins that I have on a fairly regular basis, hopefully will be washed away."

Isn't there a slight possibility that based on his own words Obama does have faith in Jesus and that his statement was prompted by the Holy Spirit?

I voted for McCain and I am quite disappointed in Obama's stand on some key issues like abortion, but it seems a very strong statement from Dr. Reagan that he is not a Christian and never has been.

Isn't there a chance that he really is, but has a huge blind spot on some issues like abortion.

Don't almost all true Christians have a blind spot on some issue for a good chunk of their lives, maybe even their whole life?

Also, shouldn't we look more at what a person says individually than at what a person's church says. I think alot of Christians disagree with this or that policy or statement from their church.

Author said...

For theology resources of UCC see this and then especially see link about 3 statements of faith.

I am not a theologian but it appears to me that Christ is proclaimed as Savior. Have not had time to review various documents over the years.

Nathan Jones said...

Author, thanks for the link to the UCC website. Under their What We Believe page, there is mention of Trinity and baptism. But, read the wording on baptism. And, where's the a reference to Jesus being the Savior? There lots of mention of love, unity and social justice - but where's the need for forgiveness of sins? See the references to journey and paths? The church's statement is Universalism. As Dr. Reagan said, belief in Universalims is not belief in Jesus as the one and only Savior (John 14:6).

I'm afraid that is what Obama sadly has bought into. It's "having a form of godliness but denying its power." (2 Timothy 3:5) What does Paul admonish, but "Have nothing to do with them."

In love we need to pray for those who are being mislead by universalistic teachings, so that they may know the Savior who died for their sins and offers salvation if they come to Him in seeking in repentance.

Dani' El said...

One needs to consider the whole council of God when reading 1 Cor 12.

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Luk 6:46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?

Author said...

I was finally able to copy the link for the three statements of faith on UCC website.

The last one appears to be 1981. It would appear that they either have a later statement of faith that I haven't found, or that the beliefs were alot more broadly worded than the statement of faith, or I am not enough of a theologian to realize that the statement of faith and beliefs really are saying the same things.

BTW- this appears to be a very hard website to sort through.

Author said...

I think I finally figured out what has bothering me about Dr. Reagan's post.

It bothers me that he said with such finality that Barak was not a Christian, based on what his church believed.

Dr. Reagan wrote "Despite his protestations to the contrary, Barak Obama is not a Christian, nor has he ever been. I can say that with confidence because he is a member of the most liberal Christian denomination, the United Church of Christ"

I wouldn't want someone making absolute assumptions about what I believe, based on my membership in a church or oranization. I seldom believe everything right down the line of any group.

Barak in his "Call to Renewal Speech" said "You need to come to church in the first place precisely because you are first of this world, not apart from it. You need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away - because you are human and need an ally in this difficult journey.

It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.

It appears to me based on his own statements here and at Saddleback that there is at least a possiblity that Barak has a saving knowledge of Christ- although I strongly disagree with alot of his policies.

Another poster did mention fruit, which is obviously a biblical concept- I never know exactly how to weigh the fruit in my life or others lives, because there is almost always a mixture of good and bad fruit even with the most mature Christians I have been around.

I have thought that Barak has had times of alot of calmness in face of some pretty severe attacks on his person.

Billy said...

If I sat in on Nazi meetings and listened to Hitler rant for 20 years then said I didn't know what he was about and didn't agree with him, would you believe me? Thought not. Obama is known by his WORKS not his words. His works are all about killing innocent unborn babies and approving of homosexuals. Obama is guilty by associating with a preacher yelling "God da-- America!" and saying 9-11 was OUR fault; associating with a domestic terrorist (Bill Ayers) and a Jew hater (Louis Farrakhan). Under Obama's sheepskin is a wolf.

Dani' El said...

"Jesus was a poor black man!"
-Jeremiah Wright

Obama sat at this man's feet for 20 years.
Obama said these quotes were out of context and he never heard them, yet they were on a DVD available in the church lobby.

So what really bothers me is that Obama is lying to our faces when he said he wasn't aware of it.

He will have to answer to God for claiming to be a christian to deceive. A VERY serious charge.

Billy said...

Just a quick clarification in pointing out Obama's pastor called 9-11 our fault. I do agree with Dr. Reagan's belief that 9-11 occured as a judgement from God on our nation. That is different than saying 9-11 happened because of our foreign policy under Bush. This was divine judgement, not global retaliation.

Dani' El said...

Amen billy,
I thought it was terribly ironic.

I believe one of the greatest reasons for the judgment of 9-11 was apostate pastors like Wright who denounce Israel!

When Wright points his finger, there are 4 fingers pointing right back at him!

sos1 said...

I checked the United Church of Christ website and found they do claim the divinity of Jesus. Am I missing something here?

Billy said...

sos1...see Nathan's previous posted comment.

Author said...


I would love to see the link that you found about the divinity of Christ on UCC website.

Author said...

I found this to be a very insightful interview into Obama's fatih. It was done several years ago I think before he actualy won his Senate seat and before everything got quite so heated.

Dani' El said...

Wow author. I hope you didn't think that supported Obama as being saved.

Some excerpts from the link author provided-

Obama- So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, (universalism- D)
and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.
Who's Jesus to you?
(He laughs nervously)
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.
And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history. (islam?-D)
Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?
Well, my pastor [Jeremiah Wright] is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely. (yet he threw them under the bus when it became expedient to do so to get elected-D) _.......

Where do you move forward with that?
This is something that I'm sure I'd have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell. (gross heresy- D)
You don't believe that?
I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. (denial of the judgment of hell, heresy. D)
I can't imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.
That's just not part of my religious makeup.
Do you believe in sin?
What is sin?
Being out of alignment with my values.

My values?
What about God's moral law?

Dani' El said...

1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Author said...

More from Obama interview.

Did you actually go up for an altar call?

Yes. Absolutely.

It was a daytime service, during a daytime service. And it was a powerful moment. Because, it was powerful for me because it not only confirmed my faith, it not only gave shape to my faith, but I think, also, allowed me to connect the work I had been pursuing with my faith.

I guess between Obama's statement at Saddleback that Jesus died for his sins, his understanding in an earlier quote of Jesus being a bridge between God and man, and his testimony of going forward for an altar call- and it being significant moment- I think there is a chance that Obama might be a Christian, although one with alot of questionable doctrinal beliefs.

I guess from what I know at this point in time I can't say for sure that he is a Christian, or for sure that he is not a Christian, which means that I am not confident like Dr. Reagan is that he is not a Christian.

Dani' El said...

When I consider his very liberal stance on abortion I would say no based on that alone.

But add to that, his stance on sodomite issues, 2 state solution, and most important, Obama's membership in the secretive CFR which stated goal is to establish the New World Order of the Antichrist?

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Dani' El said...

Who's Jesus to you?
(He laughs nervously)
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.
And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

Not God?
It seems that Obama is tap dancing around professing the deity of Christ, and saying some very muslim sounding statements.

Like Jesus the wonderful teacher, reaching "something" higher, and not specifically the Living God of Israel etc.

His pastor, Jeremiah Wright teaches that "Jesus was a poor black man".

How much evidence do you need?

IH2 said...

Earlier Post Apparently Failed.

Is my Christianity wrapped in my patriotism? Is my patriotism wrapped in my Christianity? I differ with Mr. Obama on a host of issues and actively supported John McCain wiht numerous post on his Campaign Website Blog. America has choosen. He will be our President. Can good come of it? Certainly. Will he promote the left's soical issues? Certainly. I would hope that he would lead from the center, but the exmaple of his past two elected offices causes me to believe otherwise. Stuart Rothenberg, non-partisan political scientist, tells us that Obama is much further to the left than we know, but he is a pragmatist. Hope for the later. Mr. Obama himself told us that at the University he sought out the most Marxist of the professors, the most radical of the black, the Chicano and the most militant of the feminist. I suspect that birds of a feather do truly flock together. I'll leave it to the Republicans in congress to do what needs to be done should all this prove to be the case. I will concentrate not so much on politics, but on the opportunities that an Obama presidency brings to furthering the true Gospel. I have my views on Mr. Obama's religiosity, but that is not important. My devotion would rather be to the furtherance of the gospel.

Dani' El said...

Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
Eph 5:9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),
Eph 5:10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

Billy said...

And now Obama (according to begins to plan his ultimate goal...the destruction of Israel. The Arabs indeed have one of their own in the White House now. God help us!