Thursday, February 5, 2009

The Divided States of America

Nathan JonesBy Nathan Jones

Will the 50 states that make up the union that is the United States of America always stay together as one country?

Except for the required periodic vote in Vermont whether to secede from the Union or the occasional joke from Texans who say the Texas Constitution has a succession clause, the thought of the nation breaking up into multiple nations is an alien concept to many Americans. American history does record that Texas stood as its own republic from 1836 to 1845, lasting nine years on its own before becoming the 28th state to join the Union. Grade-schoolers have learned about the Civil War that divided the nation from 1861 to 1865. But, overall, the idea of America splitting is an archaic concept from a whopping 150 years ago.

Today, rather, Americans may feel the future will instead see more states added, such as Puerto Rico. And yet, the tears in the fabric of this great union are beginning to show, and others outside the country are starting to take notice.

Take for instance Russian academic Igor Panarin. For the last ten years, he has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. As reported by The Wall Street Journal in their article titled "As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S." by Andrew Osborn on December 29, 2009, the article says this dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's Academy for Future Diplomats has predicted a very grim outlook for the United States. The reasons he states for the upcoming division are "economic, financial and demographic trends [that] will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S." which will "trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S."

Panarin assumes that after a new civil war, the U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in to seize the land. The powers would proceed to divide the country into six regions. "California will form the nucleus of what he calls 'The Californian Republic,' and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of 'The Texas Republic,' a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an 'Atlantic America' that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls 'The Central North American Republic.' Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia."

Russian Division of USA

Is this scenario far-fetched? Panarin most definitely delves into fantasy believing that all of the land of the United States would go to foreign nations, rather than keeping some self-rule. Maybe his former KGB background has him eying Alaska, and the article hints at that. But, the predicted scenario is worth a second glance when some of the reasons he bases this prediction on are analyzed.

Political

Take for instance the Townhall.com commentary by John Hawkins titled "Why the Liberal View of Government is Wrong" from February 3, 2009. In this well articulated article, Hawkins explains the differences between the Liberal verses the Conservative view of how the government should exist. He defines how the Liberal view sees government as, "a force for good that should be used at every possible opportunity to reorder people's lives... to try to reshape society into the utopian vision they have of how the world should work." This is in direct opposition to the conservative view that sees government as "as a necessary evil that should generally be used as sparingly, judiciously, and reluctantly as possible."

Americans have always been divided on how they see the role of government doing its job; yet remain united because the country's goal has always been peace and democracy. Only since the Civil War when the question over democracy for just some or all of its peoples did the nation decide it could no longer function together, and so split. Even during the Woman's Suffrage Movement in the early 20th century over the question of democracy for both genders, there was little desire to divide the nation over the issue. But now, with the much shared idea of democracy hanging in the balance while socialism is being championed from the highest offices, the very goal that united these United States of America is threatened. Should the country be forced into opposing diametric goals, the nation may face the same fork in the road that it did in the 1860s.

Economic

No doubt exists that the nation is experiencing the greatest financial disaster since the Great Depression. Tens of thousands of jobs are being lost weekly, and insanely getting into more debt seems the only answer from our elected leaders. Countries like China and those in the Middle East are buying up America as fast as they can. The world is "losing its shirt" over being invested in the dollar.

Just like a marriage, economics can be the harshest test of a union. How America will fare under a looming and eventual financial bankruptcy will also test its ability to hold together, or not, and who owns what when the dust settles.

Demographics

Will race split the nation into nations? Most likely not. If anything, Americans are committed at this stage in our history towards ethnic harmony. Though Babel continues to succeed in keeping mankind divided (Gen. 11:6-7), racism hasn't been the source of succession talk in this era for anyone but racial extremists.

Morally

If there is any one thing that most sharply divides the United States, I believe its morality. Morality is the glue behind all other issues. That is why America is internally at war with itself over the issues of abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, and a whole cadre of sensitive topics. Should the federal government further step in and make absolute law on any of these issues considered religious in nature, like the sanctity of life, then the already apparent tears in the fabric of our society could be torn asunder.

Historically, no nation remains cohesive when it is morally bankrupt. In that state, it no longer has the will to fight against totalitarian ideologies like Islam or nationalism. The United States' declining morality is a certain warning sign that the Union is weakening.

Prophetically

Revelation 17 foretells the final, Gentile world power configuration. It consists of 10 kings who will empower one king who serves Satan. Many Bible prophecy students have speculated on what country or countries each of these ten kings will rule. Whatever the configuration, no one nation in that configuration will hold as much power as the United States has for the last 60 years. The United States has to eventually share the power with nine other nations, or be absorbed into a new division that makes up part of the ten.

Prophetically, then, the United States sadly will either be divided or absorbed or both, never truly to be the United States of America ever again.

34 comments:

hart_thizzle10_9 said...

i said this earlier but i'll repeat it. The notion that the U.S remains a power til the rapture as tought my prophecy scholars os wishful thinking. They argue that its the rapture that will make us a 2nd or 3rd rate nation. They say the deleted population will bankrupt us. Well if its true for america then its true for the other nations as well.

hart_thizzle10_9 said...

i see no reason to not believe the U.S will cease BEFORE the rapture. LETS HOPE THAT IS NOT THE CASE

Anonymous said...

I know this will seem too nitpicky but the word I think you should be using in your article is "secede" not "succeed". Pronunciation [si-seed] –verb to withdraw formally from an alliance, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization, etc.

Nathan Jones said...

Darn spellchecker! Thanks, Anonymous, word's fixed. :)

Anonymous said...

Today in the United States of America, there is too much freedom. Freedom is what will divide all states within the United States.

hart_thizzle10_9 said...

Well, yes and no. Its's not neccessarily the freedom but the abuse of the freedom, and keep in mind the liberals want to take our freedom away. At least certain ones. So its more moral anarchy than freedom

Anonymous said...

So, how would one control the abuse of Freedom. Where there is Freedom, there will always be abuse.

son of thunder said...

Hey, hart, I disagree about the "other nations as well" and I will explain why. At one time England was where missionaries were produced and sent out. It was a very Christian nation, a bastion for Protestantism.

Today, less that 20% of the British attend church, and those that do attend secular churches.

Europe is in their post-Christian era, and is moving steadily towards Islam and other relgions.

Most Far East countries never converted to Christianity. And I don't even want to get into the Middle East.

So when it comes down to it, the US has the largest Christian population, and based on the last election, I would say we could be looking roughly at a 40-50% population loss, whereas other nations would suffer far, far less.

son of thunder said...

In fact, in England there are now more mosques than churches. Just thought I'd throw that in.

hart_thizzle10_9 said...

anonomys, you're absolutely right. The only way to control the abuse is thru the spreading of the gospel and in these last days wickedness is more ramant so the abuse will become more widespread. Son of thunder, thanks for your imput. That answers a question i had for a long time.

son of thunder said...

You are welcome, hart. Glad I could help.

son of thunder said...

It's kind of off subject, but I recommend this article by Hal Lindsey.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88105

hart_thizzle10_9 said...

hal lindey is a great author even tho i dont agree with every thing he's right about most of it. By the way did you know that the decline of england spiritually started with the seeker sensitive movement?

hart_thizzle10_9 said...

also i am well familiar with rick warrens "purpose driven blah blah" this positive attitude stuff in my opinion is rooted in new age. Just my opinion

son of thunder said...

I don't always agree with Hal Lindsey either (especially about his placement of the Gog-Magog invasion), but he knows his stuff.

And, yeah, Rick Warren puts a LOT of humanistic "blah blah" into his work for god (notice the little "g").

Anonymous said...

I believe this could happen in some form, but not until the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way, even then those left behind still uphold some form of patriotism. If this were to occur I would have to disagree with the borders in the pictorial. Virginia for instance, WOULD not be totally in the North Esst (atlantic). Only the areas bordering DC would go in that direction. The rest of the State would fall in the Southern group...

Billy said...

I doubt the U.S. will split up. If it did I'd be stuck behind enemy lines.

The political pendulum has been swinging from left to right for our entire history. Once the liberals mess everything up the pendulum is bound to swing back.

The diagram and scenario actually looks exactly like a computer game that came out a few years ago. Wonder if that's where this guy got his inspiration or vice versa.

I pray it's the Rapture that takes the U.S. off the world scene.

Billy said...

The guy I can't stand is Joel Osteen. He's right off a used car lot.

I'll never forget him saying "I don't know" when asked if Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Anonymous said...

Most of the western US, including San Francisco and LA, the end times Sodom and Gomorrah, will be destroyed by fire and brimstone from heaven.

Here it is in prophecy-
Luk 17:28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
Luk 17:29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

I am a Messianic Jew living in Sodom California (San Francisco) on the day that I leave for Israel, SF, LA, Las Vegas etc will be destroyed by the Yellowstone Caldera......and soon!

To the elect of the western US..Remember Lot's wife!

What is left of the USA will be absorbed into the North American Union.

With the US so weakened, all the world's hot spots will explode into war. Pakistan/India, North/South Korea, China/Taiwan, and esp Syria/Israel, leading to the destruction of Damascus and the Gog/Magog war.

From this time of war the Antichrist will arise preaching peace when there is no peace.

The whole world will divided into 10 economic zones, the 10 toes of Daniel's prophecy. The EU, The african Union, The north American Union, the Arab league of psalm 83 etc.

The Yellowstone Caldera will be the linchpin God will pull to set teh dominoes falling all the way to armegeddon.

Rend your hearts and be ready.
Repent or you will likewise perish!

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, Anonymous, but I do not see where the Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah is S.F et al. In fact, that seems to be reading much more into the text than is actually there. Your interpretation does not appear to be a literal translation of the Bible. Can you please explain where you get this information about S.F., Nevada, etc., and how you see yourself as being the "Lot" referred to in this scripture (if I understand your post correctly)?

Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

This verse is basically saying, "If the shoe fits, wear it".
San Francisco is the end times Sodom described in Luke 17.

There is much more to this story, but I'll just say, to bring this message, I've been beaten, arrested and jailed without charge or a lawyer, kicked and spat on, threatened and abused for the last 3 1/2 years.
I've even come face to face with Satan himself in 2005.
Please don't think I'm crazy, I am not.

This is the reason America is absent from end times prophecy.

The Yellowstone Caldera began to build up steam last Christmas and the judgment is determined.

Again, to God's elect in the weatern USA.
REMEMBER LOT'S WIFE!!

When the judgment is fulfilled, I will be in Jerusalem preaching the Gospel of Messiah Yeshua to the house of Israel.

My real name is-
Dani' El Ben Freeman

son of thunder said...

Hey, Dani'El, I don't know for sure that San Fran and LA are the New S'dom and Gamorrah, but they will face judgment for their actions, and it's very likely that it could be the Yellowstone caldera (that sucker's gonna go big).

And I for one am sorry that you had such a rough go for the past 3 1/2 years.

Adonai bless you and keep you; Adonai make his face to shine on you and be gracious to you; Adonai lift up His countenance on you and give you shalom.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Freeman:

I have to agree with Son of Thunder: SF and LA may or may not be the new Sodom and Gomorrah. After all, there are many other places that are pretty gung-ho about the sin of homosexuality (Austin, TX, and Anchorage, AL, both have a reputation for having many people who live in this sin). I'm sorry, but I just don't believe you can interpret the Bible to mean it's these two specific cities.

Nonetheless, I, too, am sorry to hear about the persecution you've endured. I pray that God will be your strength.

Tam said...

I can't help but think about what Jesus said " a house divided against itself cannot stand" I know he was talking about demons and demon possestion, but the principle is the same. Our country is so divided. I am sick of hyphenated americans. I am certaqin in other countries they don't have african-french or chinese- swedish. Our country alone seems to have this mindset. I am sick of it. You are either an American or you are not. This nation was formed from immigrants into one nation. If you are a citizen of this country, then you are an American period.
I can't help but think that all this separatism has a lot to do with the division in this country. And where we were once a Christian nation we have let so many lies proliferate...like the mormons, muslims, and every other lie being put out there as truth. How can this country stand like that?
I agree with what Dave Regan said about God apoints all leaders, and if a nation gets a bad leader it is because that nation deserves it. Our country has made a horrible choice of presidents. How can this country stand in the face of a so called leader who stands for every thing that God is against? I don't see how we can stand. We are going home soon... But I think we just might see this great nation fall before we do go home.

Carter said...

I agree Tam, It would seem that we would see some kind of Judgement or a "call to repentance" from God. Even though our nation seems to be more and more blinded from the signs God has been giving us (Droughts,fires,massive huricanes and of course 911)!! The first three I mentioned are getting more frequent and intense like the birthing pains Jesus mentioned. It would seem that more attacks on us would only be obvious. Plus, our leaders are still bent on dividing Israel. The only way I can personally rationalize this abomination is either our leaders don't take the bible literally, don,t read it at all, or God has blinded them!

Let us be like Daniel and ask God to forgive us and our country for our sins then maybe God will delay a most certain and deserving judgement.

Dani' El said...

To all,
The sins of Sodom were not limited to sexual perversion and the same is true of SF, LA and LV.

Here in Sodom, they boast in their sin. God is openly mocked, Satan joyously worshipped in the streets.

Take what you have heard and multiply it by 30. It's over the top! Beyond description!

SF was ground zero for the whole new age movement, sex drug movement of the 60's, besides it's sexual perversions. And LA has been the mecca of Satanic evangelism for many decades, exporting their evil worldwide.

Las Vegas is sin city and need I say more?

Yes other cities are deep in sin and wickedness, but their time will also come. But the end, all the worlds cities will be destroyed by war, including nuclear war, famine plague and disease, an asteroid strike etc.

But the Yellowstone Caldera and the wicked cities of the western US will be the first to go. Many will see it and fear, come to repentance and faith in Messiah Yeshua.

I've been giving warning loud and clear for 3 1/2 long years and have suffered much for it. All glory to the Father and His Holy One!

A sign.
When the first sodomite marriages were being performed in Sodom, I gave warning. They mocked and in defiance, continued in their wicked ways.

I prayed the Father and He sent fire from heaven that kindled nearly 1000 wildfires in California.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370544,00.html

They've been warned all right.

Again, this is why the USA is not in the eschatology of the Bible.
There is much, much more to this story, but time is short.

Again to God's elect in the west.
REMEMBER LOT'S WIFE!!!

Dani' El
Vexed in Sodom, Calif
Babylon the Great

Carter said...

Hey Dani' El, Praise God that you suffer for Christ sake! My heart goes out to you. Your reward will be great in Heaven!

Are you proclaiming to be the Elijah that the Jewish people leave an extra place open at the passover meal, one of the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation or a another prophet of God?

Resectfully perplexed, Ky,
Carter

Nathan Jones said...

I get a lot of letters from folks in the weather-strapped and supposedly more moral Mid-West wondering why cities like San Francisco never seem to get any kind of judgment. California certainly does with wildfires and its looming bankruptcy, but not particularly San Francisco, which has the worst national reputation morally.

I think there's 2 reasons for that. One, Jews For Jesus and other Christian organizations and individuals are headquartered there, and like Sodom, there's too many faithful there for God to bring wrath upon it. But more frighteningly, two, that God doesn't want to bring about repentence there, using judgments to call them back into repentance. If that is the tragic case, then a special judgment is being made ready for that city just awaiting the removal of believers in Christ.

Dani' El said...

Amen Brother Nathan,
Luke 17 describes the flight from the cities of destruction.
Hence the warning from Messiah to "Remember Lot's wife".

I've been to J4J and all the cities churches and synagogues most of which are in deep apostasy. Just terrible.
I've done some open air preaching and paid the price. But just like Lot, they think I'm nuts for the most part.
Now, the wicked men of Sodom have been "blinded" and the door shut, the judgment determined.

For sure God's elect are few in Sodom, but all of God's elect will be delivered from the judgment.
How?
That's a secret for now.
But if one is truly saved, there is no need to fear God's wrath.

I have spoken with some folks in the bible belt, and they wonder why they are catching so much trouble in the weather.
And I say it's chastening, correction that is a blessing and a sure sign of being a child of God.

But what is coming to Calif is judgment, wrath.
The recent terrible fires are just a taste of things to come soon.

Carter,
I am not one of the 2 witnesses, but I am a key player in what is coming soon in Israel.
Sorry to be so mysterious, following orders. ;)

I was called by God on Aug 15, 2005 and my eyes and ears were opened.
Satan attacked immediately and I was arrested only 1 week later.
It seems he didn't want the message to get out.
It was while I was in jail that I beheld the destruction of New Orleans which was retribution for the expulsion of the Jews of Gaza (and my arrest).
God struck the nation with hurricane after hurricane until they finally let me go.

Anyway, I thank you all for your prayers and you have mine always.

Baruch HaShem!
Dani' El

Anonymous said...

After reading this article I believe it's important to read this article written just days ago.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218

Carter said...

Anonymous-I read the article. It seems to me that there is still not enough outcries from the public and Christians to get these resolutions passed. Our nation is still on an Obama High. Even many Christians think that he is the answer to all our problems and some say that he is the Messiah. What an Obamanation!

I think that our country's division goes much deeper. I am Gospel Musician and I've traveled much of the U.S. and seen a lot of apostasy, division, and a lack of focus in many churches to work together and see lost souls come to Christ, and take a stand on important issues like the sanctity of life and homosexuality. The majority of churches seem to be caught up in self edification and they compromise what the Bible plainly says. There giving in and not take a stand for Gods word.

I believe God is chastening us Christians to come together. I hope He lifts the veil off many Christian’s eyes so that we will become as one in Christ to make that one last stand, before He takes us away.

Dani' El, God bless you for your obedience to your calling. I hope and pray that many lost souls will heed your urgent message and come to the Lord. I too want to see the lost saved. You are truly in my prayers.

Ya'll pray for me, I quit the gospel band that I was in. I wanted to see souls saved and they wanted to make money. Just another Christian division I guess.

But, I know God will make a way for me He always does.

Your brother in Christ,
Carter

Dani' El said...

Brother Carter,
I agree that God will send trials and suffering to divide the sheep fromt the goats, the wheat from the tares.
I rejoice to hear that you are moved to separate from what you are witnessing. God guides us with our consciences, no?
It is sad to see the terrible lack of discernment in America today.
Yet this too, this blindness, is a judgment of God.

All glory to the Father and His Holy One, Messiah Yeshua!

Dani' El

Anonymous said...

William Branham did prophesy that he saw destruction and debris all over the land of America prior to the Lord's return.His other prophecies have come to pass.
With Obama now in charge,and seemingly intent on destroying rapidly America's Christian heritage possibly he will demonstrate weak homeland security-America attacked,America may divide or continue to exist post-rapture but in a weakened state.
The Antichrist may come out of America-maybe he will be assyrian or Obama?I do believe in Iraq becoming the centre of world government.Thus it must be moved out of New York,possibly due to New York being destroyed by nuclear means.
If the nation,or any nation were to divide due to a righteous group seeking to separate from the ungodly,I would support it.But prophetically from now till the end I do not see this happening.America(or subgroups of it) are destined acording to the Club of Rome to combine with other neighboring states like Canada in a union,as one of the 10 kings which the Antichrist will rule over.

Dani' El said...

William Branham was a gross heretic and false prophet.
An occultist who denied the doctrine of the trinity and more.

I have no associations with any denomination, church, or movement and am very careful to make that clear.
I serve the Living God of Israel and His Holy One, Messiah Yeshua, ALONE.

Baruch HaShem,
Dani' El