Friday, April 17, 2009

Homeland Security Labels Bible Prophecy Students Terrorists

Nathan JonesPDFBy Nathan Jones

Are you a student of Bible prophecy who has discovered that the Bible teaches the planet will soon be under the control of the one-world government of the Antichrist before Jesus comes and institutes His one-world government? Do you believe the Bible teaches murdering our children is wrong and homosexuality destroys lives and that we should speak out against them? Do you feel the increasing immorality is fueling increasing crime, and wish to defend your children with a firearm? Do you love America and want to see it obey its own Constitution limiting federal power and enforcing its own immigration laws? Are you a military veteran who has bled for the freedom of your country?

If you can answer "yes" to just one of these, then you are now considered by America's own Department of Homeland Security to be a "domestic rightwing terrorists."


The Document

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Extremism and Radicalization Branch, in coordination with the FBI, released their ten page Homeland Environment Threat Analysis on April 7, 2009, titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." The purpose of this "one of a series" of threat analysis is "to facilitate a greater understanding of the phenomenon of violent radicalization in the United States" so that all "law enforcement officials... may effectively deter, prevent, preempt, or respond to terrorist attacks against the United States."

While the document declares the Threat Analysis must be made in an "overt and transparent manner," the document also commands that "no portion of the LES information should be released to the media, the general public, or over non-secure Internet servers."

The Threat Analysis reports that "domestic rightwing terrorists" are energized by a series of current political and social factors: the economic downturn, the election of an African-American president, the possible passage of new restrictions on firearms, immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, anti-Semitism directed by a perceived "cabal of Jewish 'financial elites,'" the rise of a "New World Order," and the large numbers of returning "military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities."

In response to these factors, the DHS claims "domestic rightwing terrorists" are recruiting veterans for paramilitary training and purchasing and stockpiling weapons and ammunition. They are teaching "their children specifically xenophobia and antidemocratic ideals." And, they are using "the Internet and other information age technologies" for the purposes of planning and implementing "violent extremist attack" upon the government.

The document claims such violence has already begun "in two instances in the run-up to the election" when "extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law enforcement interceded." It also cites the Oklahoma City Bombing by since-executed Timothy McVeigh.

The document parallels today's conditions with 1990, stating "prominent among these themes were the militia movement’s opposition to gun control efforts, criticism of free trade agreements (particularly those with Mexico), and highlighting perceived government infringement on civil liberties as well as white supremacists’ longstanding exploitation of social issues such as abortion, inter-racial crimes, and same-sex marriage."

For people who are concerned about an impending collapse of the United States, the Threat Assessment warns that "historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States." Those who believe this may happen are "conspiracy theorists" who fear "declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps."

That concern, the document claims, is fueled by those who believe in "'end times' prophecies." The document says end-time Bible prophecy teachings "have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement."

On a brighter note for all Americans involved, the Threat Assessment reports it "has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists... [are] currently planning acts of violence." Also, it shares the view that "both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time."

The DHS/I&A "will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization."


The Response

In only the few days since what must have been its leak to The Washington Times newspaper, the DHS Threat Assessment has created a clamor of angry responses. Americans who love their country, its laws and the Bible feel insulted and betrayed that our own government would label over 50% of the population "domestic rightwing terrorists."

Well known speakers like former President Ronald Reagan's son Michael have expressed their incredulity. And Jay Sekulow, chief counsel at the American Center for Law & Justice, is even "preparing a legal analysis and will be launching a nationwide campaign in the days ahead to demand that Homeland Security remove the references from its warning."

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended the report, saying that only the definition of right-wing extremism that was included in a footnote should be reworded to be more sensitive.


My Analysis

Concerning the DHS Threat Assessment document, I've read over the ten pages and have found it disturbing. Its claim that Americans who do not agree with the liberal bent of the current administration are paranoid, shows just how paranoid the current administration is.

In part, I can understand the racism element involved in the government's paranoia. Despicable white supremist groups do ooze out of their pits now and then and wouldn't mind taking a pot-shot at President Obama, or anyone else outside of their hometown for that matter. For these white supremist groups the Threat Assessment is certainly addressing, it is well-founded to keep an eye on such groups. But, that racism is somehow tied to the pro-life and pro-marriage movements is an outrageous inference.

As for the paranoia that conservative values equal terrorist values, that inference shows the highest and most unfounded levels of paranoia. The United States has been a nation composed of many ideologies and values throughout its history that for the most part have lived peaceably side-by-side. That the liberal ideology would believe it has to call competitive ideologies "terrorists," proves those who hold to that terminology must themselves be fearful bigots. Fearful bigotry produced the most dreadful event in American history - the Civil War. Is that what the current DHS guard is advocating?

As for Christians who believe in God's moral law and students of Bible prophecy, being seen as terrorists is a chilling thought. Christians only have to look at other large democracies like India to see that democracy doesn't protect its Christian citizens when the government would rather not have them around.

When did such a transition take place in the United States, that our "apple pie" Americans who love God and country such as myself would be seen as the enemy? The answer coincides when the values of the Bible were ejected from our society. A free and truly democratic society that values life and liberty cannot survive without those who hold to God's moral law. True freedom requires Jesus Christ, the Bible, and a foundation that rests firmly on what God calls right and wrong.

I do hope that every intelligence agent who is scouring my article to discern the thought and intents of my heart comes to understand this.


Your Response

Homeland Security gives addresses to its personnel for comments and questions. We, too, should also offer DHS our comments and questions in a civilized and loving fashion.

"For comments or questions related to the content or dissemination of [the Threat Analysis] document, please contact the DHS/I&A Production Branch at IA.PM@hq.dhs.gov, IA.PM@dhs.sgov.gov, or IA.PM@dhs.ic.gov."

57 comments:

son of thunder said...

I read this assessment a few days ago and I'm not surprised.

Jesus said that if they hated Him they'd hate us. He couldn't have been more plain.

What I do find surprising, though, is a Muslim madman, Mahmoud Ahmadinijad, who is bent on destroying Israel and creating world-wide chaos so the fictional al Mahdi can be revealed, is as gentle as a kitten and is considered mostly harmless.

Kim Jong [mentally] Il (a man who is most likely mentally retarded) is launching rockets and he is mostly harmless.

Our government is preparing to release real terrorists into our city streets because they are mostly harmless.

But hard-working, Constitution-loving concerned citizens, who keep everything running (from a human standpoint) are mostly dangerous.

I'm a redneck. I'm a welder. I have hunted. I fish. I was in the NRA. I own firearms, but surprising to liberals have never fired my firearms in anger (to them, all gun-owners have killed someone). I go to church. I teach Sunday school. I study the Bible. I work hard. I pay my taxes. And somehow I'm dangerous. To what? Their leftist, globalist ideals?

It's like someone flipped a switch and everybody lost their ever-loving minds.

Anonymous said...

Geez... Does anyone else see this as a threating attempt to force all non-democrats to fall in-line with the current Administrations policies? I am almost afraid to post a comment on this, for fear of being labeled un-patriotic by intelligence agents. I and most Americans are as Patriotic as anyone can be. I agree there are potential 'Domestic Terrorists' within our borders but to unfairly label peace loving, law abiding, patriotic American citizens in this category is outrageous. I posted in another blog that I have in the past been privy to some of these type meetings, but not once were some of the characteristics listed in in this report categorized as extemeist. My only reasoning on this points to the change of power within the new administration. I for one am a Veteran who gave up 8 years of civilian life and was discharged honorably and who will stand up and fight till death (if need be) to support the USA against its enemies. I for one and also a Christian who will go to the chambers of death to stand up for Jesus Christ my savior. This is a freedom given to all American Citizens in the very Constitution that is under attack. We should all be outraged by this report.

In Christ - David

davidson county said...

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

And also Isaiah 8:13 "It is the LORD of hosts whom you should regard as holy, And He shall be your fear, And He shall be your dread.

Proverbs Chapter 8 would be my response to this day and age. Great is the LORD, and highly to be praised; And His greatness is unsearchable.

Anonymous said...

Davidson County...

Great Post! My final comment for now is simple: "God is in control"!

Keep the faith!

In Christ - David

YshuaMyLord said...

As things get curiouser and curiouser I feel that we must have followed Alice down the rabbit hole...

son of thunder said...

Anon (David), thank you for your service to this [once] great nation. Thanks to you and your sacrifice, I and my family, can sleep safely at night. For now, anyway.

I've noticed in this administration, dissent is NOT allowed. If you do disagree, you will be labeled a "terrorist" while at the same time we can't call terrorists terrorists. (Makes sense, right?)

I am a patriot. My dad served in the Marines in Vietnam and instilled me with traditional, conservative American values, but I'm tempted to load up and move to Texas, where the they have talked of leaving the Union.

son of thunder said...

YshuaMyLord, you wouldn't happen watch Rabbi Moshe Laurie, would you?

He's always making refernce to "Alice in Wonderland," that's why I ask.

Gideon said...

Thunder,

Come on down. I'm a born and raised Texan living outside of Houston. When our Gov actually started talking about secession it put a positive buzz in the air here. Don't get me wrong, we Texans love our country, but our country has been handed over to anti-Americans and thus, no longer loves us.

Texas was once an independent Republic and we could easily go back to that. My roots in Texas run all the way back to the struggle for independence. My great, great, great...uncle, George C. Childress authored the Texas Declaration of Independence.

I believe unless Texas does something in the near future our unique culture will be history because we have had such a large influx of people moving down from the North that don't hold our conservative values.

son of thunder said...

I'm a Hoosier (don't ask), and have lived in Indiana my whole life. But, I have some family that lives in La Feria, TX, so I would have a place to stay.

I'v been considering it for some time. I just don't know what my wife thinks.

Gideon said...

This story conjured up an image from The Empire Strikes back when I read it.

It reminds me of the scene where Darth Vader is in his chamber aboard his star destroyer and a giant image of the Emperor appears and says; "Lord Vader, we have a new enemy...Luke Skywalker."

You can interchange the characters for the politicians with Janet N playing the part of Darth Vader and Obama as the image of the Emperor.

It is here, the beginning of the AntiChrist's monitoring and eventually incarcerating Christians. I guess in a very short time the man of sin, whoever he is, will be in power...

Gideon said...

Thunder,

My sister-in-law recently graduated from college and got a job with the FBI in Washington DC. She lives about 40 mins away in Maryland. She has said that there just aren't any churches up there, that saddens me.

There are churches on most street corners here in Texas. We believe in protecting our property and our neighborhoods, as evident with the story of Joe Horn. The gov told us we can't have school prayer, so we said we will have a moment of silence every day in our schools, the Supreme Court recently upheld it, small victory for us. Our state constitution states that only through the vote of the public will we ever have a state income tax.

Our economy is pretty solid compared to the rest of the country, and our taxes, for the most part, are low.

son of thunder said...

On the "Star Wars" analogies, I was thinking more along the lines of "Revenge of the Sith" where Palpatine declares the creation of the first galactic Empire.

Gideon said...

Thunder,

I gotcha, creation of an empire, a new clone army (Civilian Nat Defense Force), and a fake enemy in the separatists (Christians/conservatives).

Anonymous said...

Wowee o wowee - I remember elementary school in the 70's when we still talked about communism as a bad thing. Never dreamed my little eyes would see America take up the Marxist ideology - I weep for my nation and especially my children who most likely will not grow up in the same country I did. Even though it is obvious things were on the way out even then - the country still had a chance because of basic freedom and some inclination towards Judeo-Christian values (even if only in lip service there was a culture that still acknowledged Biblical morality). Big Brother is here and it is amazing at the rapidity with which this is happening.

David - I too am now wondering who is monitoring my personal space and correspondence. I doubt I am big enough to attract attention but I have bought some guns and a C&C license in the last two months so I MIGHT be somewhere on the radar.

Nathan said "Fearful bigotry produced the most dreadful event in American history - the Civil War". Allow me one historical note if you will Nathan to disagree with the bigotry part. Less than 10% of the population in the mid 18th Century owned slaves. Nearly all the enlisted and most of the officer corps had no vested interest in the slavery issue -directly, they themselves didn't own slaves. Doubtful so many men would have died in defense of a "bigotry" they had no personal stake in. Also, look at the Emancipation Proclamation and you notice the freeing of slaves only applied to the states in rebellion - hence slaves in the North were OK by Lincolns own words and deeds. Therefore the Civil War was NOT soley about slavery. Slavery was the merely the catalyst for a war over the issue of states rights. We have an amazing modern example even today - it is observed in a modern Texas governor saying the states joined the Union voluntarily and reserved the right to secede should the local and federal gov'ts be in severe disagreement on how to live - same argument used by the Confederate states. Personally, I am glad the Union was preserved and slavery was purged but our Constitution expressly says all powers reside at the local/state level and the federal powers are only those the states willingly give to a larger government for a greater good. This is states rights in a nutshell. And this is where we are headed - in the complete opposite direction. And isn't it amazing how godless such a philosopohy truly is - our Founding Fathers were indeed blessed to know God is the author of our freedoms and rights and if He is acknowleged as such by gov't and its citizens all can be well.

Way to go Texas.

Saved by Grace
Blessed to live in the United States of America,
Rob from Alabama

Gideon said...

Greetings from Texas, Rob, and Great post!

We are proud for what our Gov has said. I'm hoping it is genuine because he is up for reelection in 2010, and he hasn't had the best track record. That said, I support his stance and hope he continues to speak out.

hartdawg said...

i hear all ya rednecks talk about texas, well i'm an alaskan and as a a kid never liked texas but alaska and texas have a lot in common. we are the few state that wont put up with this (you fill in the blank) this sort of stuff really burns my britches. i want to put my 2cents into this but i simply dont know what to say xept ARE THEY SERIOUS?

hartdawg said...

i saw a bumper sticker goes like this "america sleeps as socialism creeps". again i'm rarely speechless but i simply dont know what to say about this. maybe in 2010 we'll be fed up and kick all these liberals out (oops, did that statement make me a terrorist?) assuming we still have elections then.

OuttaHere said...

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” ( Isa. 5: 20-21).

Come Quickly Lord Jesus Christ!

son of thunder said...

Wow, Gideon, you took my "Star Wars" analogy even further than I intended and (gulp) it fits!!

Rob in Sweet Home, Alabama is right about the Civil War: it was not about slavery, but about what the southern states saw as an expansionist government which they percieved as being too intrusive into every day life. Which is exactly what we have here.

Anonymous said...

hartdawg- you right-wing extremist you, you free thinker you, you unfairly labeled domestic terrorist you ------- this Alabama redneck is pleased to know ya. On a somber note, let's hope we have the ability to vote in 2010so we can kick the bums out. A favorite tactic of socialists is to garner the power and suspend the vote. Perhaps the DHS report is the opening salvo in this effort and just when we get the chance to change things *** bammo martial law, executive privelege or some other nonsense gets invoked and overrides an election cycle. Don't say it can't happen -anything is possible in these trying times.

Gideon - thanks. My wife is Texas born and bred and I went to college and grad school in Texas. I like to give her grief but I do understand her pride in a great state. And 2 of our 5 children were born in Texas. I got to Texas as fast as I could, but unfortuneately with job situations we couldn't stay. But I am also proud of my home state of Alabama for it's fierce individualism - call it redneck if you will but we can go toe to toe with the best of them if it came to it.

Oh, DHS if you are watchin' my posts please be sure to tell the Usurper (you know who I mean) hello from a freedom loving, law-abiding, Constitution loving American who has had to show his birth certificate to get into school and provide personal info for the privelege of paying taxes and buying a house. :-). And if you want just hijack this response and get back to me and I can give you good directions to my house, I'm rural but not impossible to find - although I think you know the way already. I would hate for you to waste my tax money driving around the countryside using precious gas. I'll answer any of your lawful questions with candor and politeness. Do ya like sweet tea?

Sorry, couldn't resist
Rob from Alabama

son of thunder said...

Ya'll are gonna get us all in trouble. I'm looking out my window right now for the black helicopters and SUV's.

hartdawg said...

rob, when i saw your first line I THOUGHT YOU WERE SERIOUS lol. they're gonna shut this site down!

son of thunder said...

Maybe, but I say we have some fun and give 'em a show. Yee haw.

hartdawg said...

if worse comes to worse i'll move back to alaska. i dont know how it is where yall live but here in the seattle area if you drive downtown with a mccain/palin sticker (i aint taking it off) you get not just angry but hateful glares.

son of thunder said...

I was told I'm racist for voting issues and not color. Hmmm. Does that statement make sense?

It's amazing. You could say any negative thing you wanted about W., but you say one negative thing about the Obamassiah's policies, you'd best duck.

Is this how Hitler got his start?

Anonymous said...

You all rock! I was born and raised in Kansas, heck we all fit right in. Ron all I can say is ROFLMBO!!!! Hartdawg and the rest of you all, we are gonna make it even if we have to hitch hike to Texas with God as out co-piloot!!!

In Christ - David

Gideon said...

Rob,

I haven't spent much time in Alabama. Your state does have one of the all-time best classic rocks songs written about it, though!

What college did you graduate from here in Texas if you don't mind me asking?

Anonymous said...

Right on guys... I live in Oregon and my husband keeps asking shall we move? It is bad when you feel embarrassed by the bent of the people in your own state...but I am there. We are proud conservatives, gun owners, raised hunting and fishing and of all things I work in law enforcement. I believe in being fiscally responsible with tax money and do not spend it unless it is needed. I don't believe in abortions or gay rights. I hate the sin and feel compassion for the sinners. I speak my mind, but have never yelled or caused a scene protesting anything...ya, we are a bunch of bad terriosts that they need to monitor. That is a huge waste of our tax payers money in itself. But you are correct, God is still on the throne and He is in control, not these nuts.

C~ in Salem

Anonymous said...

Gidoen - undergrad was Texas A&M - Gig em Aggies - is there any other? Grad school - Texas A&M Kingsville. However, I spent my first three collegiate years at Auburn University so I am a Tiger through and through - War Eagle. I am what the Aggies refer to as 2percenter since I don't bleed maroon & white (my wife does though she is all Aggie). But I won't deny that I did get what is perhaps the finest education in my field (Range Management) that can be found anywhere in the world - no kidding.

David - I am an ignorant Christian conservative, I mean domestic antagonist, I mean man made disaster, but what is ROFLMBO????

Hartdawg - was I kidding or was I serious (Can you hear the twilight zone theme bout now)??? Not really sure what they know/don't know ::: but I agree - while we have free speech let's have a little fun. I am passionate about the greatest land this side of Israel that God has blessed and I am truly concerned and I want someway to make a difference like Ben Franklin, George Washington, Tom Jefferson, the Adams boys, Patrick Henry. Part of me is ready to cry - it hurts so bad to see what I never thought possible and I wonder what is next. But let me acknowledge that I know with even more passion and confidence that my Redeemer lives and there is nothing this world can do to take me out of His loving embrace. SO what the hey - lets have a go at some humor.

A big shout out to Janet Napatolino and the gang at DHS.

Rob from Alabama

Anonymous said...

Hey wait a minute. Gideon - did you just trick me into giving you more info so you can track me down? I mean how many Rob's went to A&M and now reside in Alabama? I fell for that old routine hook line and sinker. Acting all nice and such, acting like a Texan - bet you're a G-Man in disguise.

Oh dang - now I'm paranoid and seeing helicopters and SUV's in my garden. Son of Thunder is that you out there?

Sorry --- it's late and we just got back from my 8 yr. old son's baseball game - a little lite-headed from laughing so hard I guess.

Rob from Alabama

Anonymous said...

I sent an email to DHS and two of the email addresses bounced. Only ia.pm@hq.dhs.gov went through.

Hope others respond to that also.

C~ in Salem

Anonymous said...

Rob - ROFLMBO = Roll On Floor Laughing My Butt Off. Its text message/chat language... I agree a little bit of fun can't hurt anyone. Humor is fun and its great we can show some on this site, however, this is serious stuff and as students of the Bible we have been indoctrinated well and realize this is scarry prophecy being fullfilled. We have to keep our faith and our sights on God.I do not think the States will ever secede again, but should they I feel my state, Virginia would fall inline with Texas. (we'd just have to kick the residents of Fairfax county into DC) haha! Virginia has its own state funded Military Institution (VMI) , which was founded to keep its State Militia strong (buzzwords are gonna get me tracked)... My son is a Sr at VMI. Stonewall Jackson is their most famous professor and Sam Houston was born right near there. So there are still many ties to the 19th Century in this state and many Patriots across this country who would fight to keep our Constitutional rights intact.

In Christ - David

son of thunder said...

No, that's not me out there, Rob from 'bama. If it were me you'd know it: I'm the one with US flag without the swastica instead of stars!

Amen on having some fun. I, for one, ain't skeered of these guys.

God is in control, here. We may have Nazi fascists running the country, but God is in His Temple and on His Throne with our Messiah right beside Him.

And we have to remember that it's God who puts people in power for His purpose, and His purpose only.

Anonymous said...

David - you are correct about how serious this is in terms of national identity and our Constitutional Rights and the freedoms we have enjoyed for over 2 centuries. After my rant last night, I was also thinking about how many people have not been taught proper American history - so it is no wonder so few seem to love it as do we here and why so few understand how special this country is in the history of mankind. I mean if you don't know what you are defending/believing in what the heck will you do to preserve it intact in it's purest form.

Quiz time - no fair looking it up on the net or some other source. Obama, JOe, Janet, Nancy please keep your eyes on your own paper. What type of gov't do we have here in the United States of America? Seriously - not being condescending but what is the correct answer, and it matters tremedously in terms of who & what we are and one reason we are so blessed. And for extra credit explain what the difference is between the real anwer and the answer most will give (which is wrong).

Rob from Alabama

Vic said...

Very Interesting Article Nathan :)

I bet Jay Sekulow went Balistic this week. I've been listening to him a lot the last few months, but this past week I didn't - I'm hoping he has radio archives at www.aclj.org

This could possibly (Quoting Dr. David Jeremiah to a Degree) The Tribulation Bleeding Through.

You all have a Good Weekend &

Maranatha Everyone :)

Vic :)

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YshuaMyLord said...

son of thunder, no I've never even heard of the rabbi. It's just that the first thing that went through my head when I heard about all of this was "curiouser and curiouser." :-)

Someone also mentioned about learning in school that communism was a bad thing. Well, we homeschool our son and he just finished up a study on the Cold War and communism. When he heard about all this going on the first thing he said was that he doesn't want to live in a communist country. I'm just so thankful that he knows the Lord, too, and is able to look to Him with hope.

son of thunder said...

Well, Rob, if I understand your question correctly, the USA is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic.

A republic is "rule of law." A democracy is "mob rule."

I grew up at the end of the Cold War (my dad actually fought in it in Vietnam), and I can remember watching film of breadlines and t.p.lines in the Soviet Union. The footage always made me sad. I could never understand why someone would want to live that way, or let someone live that way. Now I understand it's about power and control.

Mankind as God. It has never worked anywhere.

son of thunder said...

I just wondered, YshuaMyLord (cool name by the way), about Rabbi Moshe Laurie. I don't agree with everything he says, but since I discovered I have some Jewish blood, I have been absolutely intrigued by everything Jewish.

Rabbi Moshe is nuts: He's fun to watch and listen to. Here lately he's been describing everything going on like it's "Alice in Wonderland." Nothing makes any real sense.

YshuaMyLord said...

Ah, but it does really make sense IF you look at it from a Scriptural perspective. :) It's very comforting to know that God thought it important enough to let us know about it so we wouldn't be as those who have no hope. While it is really quite strange to see all of this happening, things really are progressing as they are supposed to be. We're living in a very interesting time!

Anonymous said...

Son of Thunder - you are partly correct - We are a Federal Republic. Thanks for playing. Just kidding. Most people would say, and have been conditioned by an inadequate education system for this, we are a democracy. Dr. Reagan may be able to put a more accurate rendering to it as an expert in gov't affairs. But you are kinda right in that a democracy in its purest form is unworkable, is a form of mob rule. Every voice in a democracy carries exactly the exact same weight - sounds good, on paper. But practically it is unreasonable because politicians & rulers would have to argue, convince and compromise on everything to get to a unianimous vote from which policy and law can be enacted - and we know in such a case no decision could ever be made and you wind up with chaos. Here the Star Wars analagy is appropriate - when the Republic Senate has endless debates and nothing gets done, evil enters stage left.

A Federal Republic on the other hand is a wonderful form of gov't and our founding fathers were blessed with tremendous foresight and understanding of history to give us this form. In such a gov't every one gets to vote - every vote is important - for an elected representative who then goes to a federal level to run things for us based on what we hold important. And when voting on issues and laws the majority wins the right to make such and such policy/law and everyone (losers included) are under obligation to follow the law. Hence no mob rule. This rule of law has kept us free from tyranny and peaceful for over 200 years. And in such a form of gov't we there is an overriding factor - our responsibility as citizens, to cherish and preserve the power of self-determination and our own founders understood this to mean that if a dictator/monarch ever tried to hijack the system we have and obligation to rebel, to remove any who tried to take away our "God" given rights and priveleges.

Long winded but this is very very very important for all to understand. If you don't you get what we have today - a feeral form of gov't hijacking the will of the people from whom they derive their power. They make me sick thinking I work for them and I should be greatful for such illustrious leaders. BUt they work for me and I want to fire them and start over, they are out of touch with reality and the Constitution they swore to uphold.

Rob from Alabama

hartdawg said...

speaking of democracy and such: is it true that starting in the early 70s the communists starting infiltrating the secular universities (or humanist temples) and even a few public schools as professors and now starting from the 70s we have a generation brainwashed into communist/socialist thinking? i heard that several times is that accurate? i'm not sure i'd go that far yet

Anonymous said...

Hart - absolutely correct and accurate but it started before the 70's. Our education system was one of the main conduits the marxist's have used to transform our society (IMO and from limited reading on this subject). It's a known fact that if you can influence the young and alter history/philosophy/economics from the inside you have a generation who doesn't know better. I mean for Pete's Sake look at how our Usurper (hola Obama - please say hi to Chavez for me and tell him I wish him no success in his dictatorship) has apologized for America on several continents. We are not perfect but he has no business apologizing for our wonderful country. Why does he apologize you may ask??? I think it's because of his liberal, marxist thinking taught to him in foreign ports by peoples who hate us. We are a great evil in the way of progress for "the people".

Rob from Alabama

Sal said...

Funny you should mention the scene from Revenge of the Sith, for that's the first thing that popped in my mind. Particularly the part when Padme comments that she never thought the Republic would end with the sound of clapping.

I'm more inclined to think DHS is looking for the McVeigh type, rather than checking half the country out, but whoever wrote up that document clearly is leftist in their thinking.

son of thunder said...

Sal, the deal with Sen. Amidala from "Sith" popped into my head as well.

And, hartdawg, most people don't know this, but back in the '70's, the environmentalists joined hands with the globalist and socialist movements in an effort to topple U.S. economic infrastructure.

hartdawg said...

Rob, BEFORE THE 70s? REALLY? worse than i thought!! someone, john haagie i think, said if a forign power did to our education system what we did it would be an act of war! thunder, my dad used to work for the aleyeska pipeline at prudhoe bay alaska and he told me the environmentals who blocked bush from drilling are supported bu opec and in some cases even hamas. THATS TREASON IS IT NOT?

son of thunder said...

Now, hartdawg, don't be silly. Only Republicans, Conservatives and fundamental Christians can commit treason. :)

And, as I understand it, your dad would be right.

Anonymous said...

Yo fellow crazies,

Forgot to mention in previous post that I have read an interesting book - "The Marketing of Evil" by David Kupelian. He does an excellent job of connecting the dots between the liberal/socialist agend and how we have actually come to the point where our society "accepts" so much evil garbage. He has many quotes and facts with attending documentation to back up his claims/research. For me there were some passages I have to admit that produced an AHA! moment because of the wonderful insight and clear communication of the point in discussion. I would recommend it highly. And he comes from a Christian standpoint on a worldly subject.

Rob from Alabama

YshuaMyLord said...

I've just got to throw this in, about "global warming." I find it fascinating that all of the effects that people are supposed to expect to happen because of gw seem to match up pretty nicely with many of the judgments that will be coming during the tribulation. Even in that the people are being conditioned to accept what will come not as judgments from God, but as natural disasters caused by inconsiderate and selfish humans.

hartdawg said...

good point YshuaMyLord. the only problem with that is they realize its from God... AND CURSE HIM!!

Gideon said...

Rob,

I was hoping you were a A&M or Baylor grad, two best schools here in Texas. My wife is from Corpus Christi and both of her grandparents are graduates of Kingsville.

Nope, not a g-man, and would probably have to resign if I were due to the man in the Oval office today.

Gideon said...

hartdawg,

Pull up a document known as the Communist Goals of 1963. You will see this as one of the goals. You will also notice most of the goals have been completed for sometime now.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

SeanOsborne said...

What nathan Jones has written about DOES NOT concern Iran and Ahmadi-Nejad or Venezuela and Hugo Chavez.

This subject is about the United States of America, and our paid for in blood freedoms and liberties which an usurper government is attempting to take away from us.

Nathan's report is most excellent, but it's just the tip of the iceberg, and America is the Titanic.


UPDATED: Obama Administration, DHS and FBI Assess and Declare American Patriots to be Radicalized Extremists and Terrorists

hartdawg said...

sean, WHAT??!!

son of thunder said...

I have wanted to read "The Marketing of Evil" since it came out. Maybe I'll get to read it before it's "seditious".

I read Kupelian's stuff on World Net Daily, and I'm usually nodding my head.

SeanOsborne said...

hartdawg wrote:
"sean, WHAT??!!"


LOL! Brother. I didn't stutter. This info is just the tip of the proverbial and quire literal ice berg. I kid you not.

hartdawg said...

WOW!! i believed you, i just didnt want to swallow it.

Dennis said...

ok, then all story´s that had "signs" in them are forbidden ? Like this story from sweden where a mother sell her own daugthers life and health for money (30 silvercoins?)

www.medicalforgery.com

Regards Dennis