Thursday, December 17, 2009

Christmas Prophecies: The Timing

Nathan JonesPDFBy Nathan Jones

Were there any prophecies that identified when the Messiah would first come?

Dr. David Reagan, Dennis Pollock of Spirit of Grace Ministries, and I recently got together on the television show "Christ in Prophecy" (watch it!) to discuss how the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in Jesus of Nazareth is proof positive that Jesus came when the Messiah was supposed to first come. If you were wondering if Jesus really came on the scene when the Messiah was first meant to — read on in our discussion of this amazing timing!


Dr. Reagan:
Every year at Christmas I am reminded of the remarkable prophecies concerning the birth of Jesus and how they substantiate His deity and the faithfulness of God. Let's look at some of those prophecies. The first that came to my mind are those that established the general time period when the Lord would appear. Tell us about those prophecies, Nathan.

Nathan Jones: I'd be happy to, Dave! There are two of them. I'll begin with Genesis 49 which contains the words spoken by Jacob on his death bed to his son Judah. Jacob said, "The scepter shall not depart from Judah… until Shiloh comes, and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples." Now, the term, "Shiloh" was recognized by the Jewish rabbis as a Messianic title, so the term "scepter" refers to the judicial power of the nation. Thus, this prophecy is saying that the Jewish nation's judicial power will never be lost before the Messiah comes.

Dr. Reagan: But, Nathan, didn't the Jews lose their judicial power during the Babylonian captivity, about 500 years before Christ?

Nathan Jones: Well, Judah's national sovereignty was lost, but they never lost their ability to have their own courts and judges during that time.

Dr. Reagan: Okay, so then, the loss of judicial power must have been during the time of the Romans?

Nathan Jones: Exactly, it was during 7 AD the Jewish Sanhedrin Council had actually lost the ability to pronounce the death penalty.

Dr. Reagan: Well, you know, Nathan, that is remarkable because the Messiah had come 11 years earlier when Jesus was born say in 4 BC. So, Shiloh had arrived shortly before the scepter departed, just as prophesied.

Nathan Jones: Exactly!

Dr. Reagan: Dennis, tell us about the other First Coming prophecy, the one that is contained in Daniel 9.

Dennis Pollock: It is a pretty complex prophecy, so let me just summarize it. The prophecy was written during the Babylonian captivity. Basically, what it says is that the Messiah will come and be killed 483 years after an order is issued for the rebuilding of Jerusalem. That order was given by the Medo-Persian ruler Artaxerxes, and 483 years later Jesus entered Jerusalem to be crucified.

Dr. Reagan: You know, Dennis, that is absolutely amazing! The world, of course, would call that a coincidence.

Dennis Pollock: They might call it a coincidence, but the truth is that when you have these kinds of prophecies and their precise fulfillment, that goes well beyond the realm of coincidence. That would be a "God-incidence," that is, historical events that are orchestrated by the hand of Almighty God.

8 comments:

hartdawg said...

is the prophecy of daniels 70 weeks the reason why philip was sitting under a tree waiting for the messiah? here is another question concerning daniels 70 weeks: since the jews knew micahs prophecy about being born in bethelehem, and since they were well acquainted with the writings of daniel where is their common sense? it seems to me they would be like hmm its been such and such years, lets do the math HE`S THE MESSIAH!

hartdawg said...

i know the answer by the way. it just baffles me somtimes

DrNofog said...

Ya gotta wonder at all the assumptions that were made... I wonder if after the Slaughter of the Innocents how many Jews said "Whoops, no more Messiah... that's it for us... we're really in the tank now!"

John 7:
41 Others said, "This is the Christ." But some said, "Will the Christ come out of Galilee?
42 Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?"
43 So there was a division among the people because of Him..."
52 They answered and said to him, "Are you also from Galilee? Search and look, for no prophet has arisen out of Galilee."
53 And everyone went to his own house."

They never bothered to look into where he was actually *born*...

"...the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory...
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." [1 Cor. 2:8,14]

14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. [2 Cor. 2:14]

Billy said...

To Dr. Reagan, Nathan and all the Lamb & Lion staff...to all the regulars (Dawg, Thunder, Bugg, Laura, Veni, et al) who post and those who don't but just read...I wish you all a Merry and Blessed Christmas and Happy and Healthy New Year!

hartdawg said...

merry christmas to everyone too. i`m sitting at the airport and instead of merry christmas i see a sign that says "happy solstice" my flight is gonna be at least 2.5hrs late. (it dumped over 3 feet of snow in alaska) merry christmas everyone

son of thunder said...

Most definately, everyone have a merry CHRISTmas.

And to all our Jewish and Messianic Jew friends, happy Hannukah (a few day late).

son of thunder said...

And, hart, you have yourself a happy solstice :)

Just kidding, hartdawg. Just kidding.

glen walling said...

concerning the 483 year prophecy i have to disagree
i have never been so certain of anything as i have of this
69 weeks to the messiah...
jesus was anointed by the holy spirit (messiah means anointed one)
in the 15th year of tiberius reign (this can be found in luke)
this is commonly known as 27/28 AD
by then he was about 30 years old (so was born in the same year as herods death - 4BC)
the 444BC date just does not fit because according to the calender it comes to 40AD (483 years), or with the 360 day year it comes to 33AD
if jesus started his ministry and it lasted 3 1/2 years from 27/28 AD, then he must have died in 31 AD
if you read closely, the only decree expilicitly mentioned is the one by artaxerxes in 457 BC, and going forward from this we come to the baptism of jesus - 483 years later
3 1/2 years after this time, he was crucified (cut off), and officially put an end to the sacrificial system, which is told in daniel 9
is that a coincidence? i doubt it
the 444BC letters to nehemiah do not actually mention a decree, and are rather letters concerning building materials
"decree" is also translated as the "word" in the more literal translations
if you read the decree in 457BC it explains clearly that it is according to the will of god - his word - which matches the prophecy
what i'm basically saying is that the 70th week is history
the jews were given 70 weeks to fulfill a list of things but did not and after this the gospel went to the gentiles
i'm not a preterist, just that the 70th week is nothing to do with the end times
also i'm not saying there is no 7 year period in the future, only that it is not the same one mentioned in daniel