Friday, May 13, 2011

FHCO: Q&A Session (Part 5)

Future Hope Conference Online
Your Future in the:
Bible - Tribulation - Rapture - Millennial Kingdom - Heaven - Q&A


Vic Batista
Vic Batista
Senior Pastor & Radio Host
Calvary Chapel Aventura


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What will our new names be in Heaven?

Vic Batista: I wanted to begin wrapping it up by asking Steve what you want your new name to be. We are told that we are going to get new names. Do you have something planned?

Nathan Jones: Wayne Gretsky, right?

Steve Howell: Actually, T-bone would be the way to go.

Vic Batista: This is Steve. My name is Victoriano Batista. Now you know why I ask you brothers to call me Vic, okay. Just call me Vic.

But, I thought it was kind of cool when Nathan was reminding us that God is personal and it is neat to know that His plans continue for us in even giving us new names. Most of us have named our children biblical names because we wanted them to remember something about what we were thinking about them. Any of you guys have biblical names for your children?

Steve Howell: My son is Jacob.

Vic Batista: I ask this question because sometimes we don't like our names, so just be glad that God will give us the perfect name once we get to Heaven.


Who was Hell created for?

Vic Batista: Nathan, you were talking to us about Heaven and, Man, Heaven is just so exciting! I love the way that you shared it because you gave us both sides — there is Heaven but there is also a Hell. We were made clear to understand that Hell was created for Satan and his angels, but it was never made for the believers. What would you say to that, Nathan?

Nathan Jones: I would say that is the truth. That is what the Bible says in Matthew 25:41. Satan and his angels rebelled and their punishment will be Hell. That punishment is eternal death.

God doesn't have a merit system or a penal code where you get out after 30 years. God is black and white when it comes to sin: yes or no, yah or nay, one or zero (if you are a programmer).

That is what Jesus says, that Hell is Satan and the demon's punishment. That punishment then came upon us because we sin. We just can't blame Adam and Eve, though we do that bemoaning, "If only Adam and Eve didn't." We all sin. For example, I have three children and I tell you as soon as day one they were born fussy and rebellious. For me, I was driving through a school zone yesterday and I know the crossing guard and all, and he pointed me the wrong way from where I wanted to do. Crazily, my first impulse I felt was, "Should I gun past him or run him over?" All of the sudden, that rebellious spirit in me was like, "How dare he tell me to go down a side road! I need to go down this road." That rebellious spirit is what convicts us before God. That is what makes us sin. It is not just the things we do, but it is what is in our hearts that matter. God judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart, and that is what convicts us.

Vic Batista: Thank you, Nathan! That was really awesome that clarification of Heaven and just all the things that we have to look forward to.


Closing Insight

Nathan Jones: I want to thank everyone who has followed along in our Future Hope Conference online. My wish is that you walked away with new insights into your future in God, and my prayer is that you now have hope.

If you only got dread out of this conference, learning that you have no hope because you will have to endure the Tribulation and finally Hell, then you are as Ephesians 2:12 describes, "...separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship... and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world."

It doesn't have to be that way, though. You can have that wonderful hope, too. You can know without a shadow of a doubt that you will be rescued from God's coming wrath, and that you will live in love, joy and glory with your Creator who loves you with all His heart for ever and ever. All you have to do is give your life over to Jesus Christ. Surrender it to Him. Pray, "Dear, Lord, please forgive me of my sin. Be my Savior." Jesus in turn will forgive you of your rebellion, you'll have a brand new life, His Spirit will guide your path, and you too can have that great and awesome hope for an amazing future ahead of you.

25 comments:

Talia said...

What happened to Thursday's post?

Anonymous said...

Can you please RE-post your part 4 ? Your Thursday's Post is missing now... Thanks

James said...

Where is your Part 4 ?

Rodney said...

Heaven, what do we really know? We have but small glimpses throughout the Bible yet nothing that would give us a definitive look at our home to come. The Bible is descriptive when it comes to the other, in fact it identifies it as a place of intense heat and of torments.

The Lord left Heaven to redeem mankind, he also identified that in Heaven was his Kingdom. Yet why would a perfect King come 2,000years later to rule an imperfect world saturated with sin and those that despise him and reject him still? If the wide majority of inhabitants of this earth have chosen to embrace evil and worship Satan (Dragon), then would this rule be legitimate?

It is clear that at the time of the temptation of Christ that Satan ruled the kingdoms of this world. Though he will be bound for a thousand years by Christ the Lord takes this rule, it seems sin and rebellion will remain. Therefore we can conclude is sin and rebellion remain, then who is clearly ruling.

Rodney said...

I often ponder if the earth was created free from sin and corruption, as will the new heaven and new earth, what is there that will prevent again the reintroduction of sin even in that perfect environment? Even among the Holy habitation of the Third Heaven, Lucifer chose to rebel and claim a third of the angels in this rebellion.

We have two instances of perfection in heaven and in earth, where the presence of God did abide in both yet then sin entered in and corrupted the holiness of both habitations. Both creations angel and man brought corruption with rebellion in their hearts. Clearly it is possible that this could again occur. Sin was not introduced by Lucifer, it was free will that allowed it to surface. Will free will then be removed during the eternal age? That is doubtful.

Knowing this, it seems that it is not possible that we will never see a true end of sin and the rebellion that follows. The Lord God desires his creation to worship him freely, for his is God, yet whereever this is light, there is sure to be darkness. There is something missing here, sin can not be extinquished as long as free will exists, or to put it more bluntly both creations being angel or man exist having free will. Under this evironment sin will always rear it's ugly head.

DrNofog said...

Rodney said...
"...Therefore "we" can conclude is sin and rebellion remain, then who is clearly ruling...."

Rodney, WE???
No!!! YOU!

YOUR
"speculations" have led you into a VERY foolish question, confusion, and greatly diminishes the overall absolute Sovereignty of God's Plan, His Power, "Determinate Counsel", Predestination, Foreordination from "before the foundation of the world", and His Omniscience!!

You clearly need to RE--SEARCH the Scriptures on the Nature and Character of God [especially Isaiah 40-48, 9 full chapters to the Greatness & Transcendence of God], and rethink your premise because "...then who is clearly ruling...." really borders on blasphemy!

I don't know how big your God is, but the Scriptures are replete with this single, ABSOLUTE note: God created NOTHING until the "Consummation" was already, AND completely "Foreordained" ... a done deal!

That's who's in charge, and that's how big my God is!!

DrNofog said...

Rodney said...[more stuff that runs contrary to Scripture...]

"...Knowing this, it seems that it is not possible that we will never see a true end of sin..."

The error that generates this "Free will" will = Sin in the "Eternal state" thinking is found in not understanding, and/or not 'believing' these 2 things:

1. The Redeemed will be "one with Christ", "one with the Father":

John 17:21-23
21 That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me.
22 And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one;

...and will have "the mind of Christ":

1 Corinthians 2:16
"...but we have the mind of Christ."

Philippians 2:5
"..Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.."

As I had mentioned before; in our complete union with Christ, with that full knowledge of sin and its horrific consequences, no Saint would have any desire for it!

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2. The Eternal State - God's security fix for both "parties":

Revelation 22:11 - "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Those who have rejected God's renewal will simply remain in their ungodly level of "mindset", confined in the burning garbage dump outside.

And the Redeemed... well, even before we fully 'develop' our new mindset, we have the Comforter, "that he may abide with you for---ever"!!

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.

"For--ever" pretty much settles that question for me!!

Well, I mean, only because it's found in the Word of God!

DrNofog said...

Talia said...

"What happened to Thursday's post?"

The unanswered question...
...

Rodney said...

Dr. NoFog, it is not my intention to be blasphemous, only to inquire if there exists the possibility of a repeat of rebellion. It seems that while the Word of God identifies that we will be as the angels in heaven, it was one such angel that chose to rebel and many joined with him. When you read the description of Lucifer, you find that he was perfect, in wisdom and beauty.

The environment we will also experience will be perfect in heaven as it was in the beginning. The question therefore remains, will free will be eliminated in the eternal age? If it is not, the possibility for rebellion remains.

Perhaps it will then be as it was in the Garden, when Adam and Eve was prohibited of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For once the knowledge of what was identified as good was understood, evil was also defined in the form of sin. Perhaps I am as you say a fool, trying to question the sovereignty of God, yet still I believe it is a legitimate question.

Anonymous said...

Rodney, it is a good question? I suddenly think about it. I would like to know the answer as well... I hope you don't mind that I bring your question into another website: www.prophecyupdate.blogspot.com

Rodney said...

That is fine with me Anonymous. Not trying to rock the boat just trying to get some definitive answers to even further strengthen my faith and knowledge of the Lord I have come to know.

DrNofog said...

Rodney, no offense or insult intended, and I apologize if it seems I came off a little too harsh.

You have put forth a number of strong, well argued opinions over the past several yrs, and I was, frankly, baffled that you weren't up to speed on this or where you were going with it.

This is simply another aspect, or facet, of the "eternal security" question.

I responded strongly because there are several issues you put forth that, in your customary very strong language, could shake the faith of those less fully grounded in the Faith:

1. The issue of "...Therefore we can conclude...", as though there is a sizable faction, major or minor, of the same opinion, rather than saying "I" think, speculate, conclude of my own...

2. The issue of "...then who is clearly ruling....", that is "who is fully 'in charge'"?!?

To that, I have to stand fully behind my 1st post!

Psalm 2 and the aforementioned Isaiah sections, amongst so many other passages clearly show that "they" think they have some kind of 'edge' wherein they can sneak up and overcome Him, yet He knew them, and their intentions...How can I say this for emphasis...From Eternity Prior!!!..before He ever created them to 'participate' in fulfilling His Consummate Plan!

THAT is the Ultimate in "Long range planning"!!!

3. The issue of "Free will" in the eternal state vs. "The **Eternal** Security of the Believers".

Yeah, I had pondered that same thing many yrs ago and if it were not for the clear promises in His Eternal Word, what hope would any of us have of even any kind of temporary "salvation"!?!
Con't.

DrNofog said...

Part2
The Scriptures above, esp. Revelation 22:11, all the commentaries I have seen agree that is the "fixed" eternal state...meaning "Eternal".

Either we believe/trust, and rest secure in His promises, or we can worry/"speculate" about uncertain things outside of His Word...Genesis 3, Doubting Him & and the veracity of His Word again and again!

Plus, we will fully be given "the mind of Christ", as I stated before!

As for that passage of being "...as the angels in heaven...", That is in reference to the misconception of "who will *"belong"* to whom" from prior marriages, in the Eternal State. - "...For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. - Matthew 22:30

It has nothing to do with the so-called "physical/spiritual" make-up, powers, etc. of our glorified bodies compared to Angels.

They were never intended to enter into a unique, intimate relationship that far transcends even the best marriage down here. - "...Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" - Hebrews 1:14

Your concern about Lucifer; "...you find that he was perfect, in wisdom and beauty..."

"perfect" in the majority of times found in the Scriptures means "complete", as in, "he was complete" in the wisdom and beauty that he was given.

He had no clue who he was really challenging!...

More later...lights out!

Anonymous said...

Rodney, maybe you can consider some of the answer from the website below:

Blogger: PROPHECY UPDATE - Post a Comment
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http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3432851080052468710&postID=206603003853803551&isPopup=true

Billy said...

Rodney,

Just as the nature of the beast to eat meat will be eliminated so shall the nature of man to sin be eliminated. If God can take the kill nature out of the wild beast why would you doubt he can take the sin nature out of man? We will still have free will but GOD will ELIMINATE our sin. Not us, God.

Think about this...in our eternal lives, because of God, we won't die, we won't get sick, we won't be hungry, we won't be hurt, we won't cry...you agree with all that right? Then why not trust that we won't sin either?

Expected Imminently said...

To sum up DrNofogs comments:

Revelation 22:3 “…And there shall be NO MORE CURSE: …”

Well said DrNofog and Billy. It is a relief these days to be ‘built up’ as so many believers seem intent of robbing me of the ‘blessed hope’ one way or another. I find it really lowering, even though I know for a fact the ‘thieves’ are totally wrong.

Rodney: When ‘wondering out loud’; please consider the young in the faith; or the plain ‘knocked about one’s’. Its bad enough being attacked by the enemy without the Church joining in as well!

Billy I tried repeatedly to reply to you on a previous thread, but I have had the dickens of a job getting my comments to ‘stick’for the past few weeks.

I strongly suspect ‘THEY’ may be having a dry run.

MARANATHA!
Sue

Billy said...

Sue,

I've been having trouble posting a lot recently, too.

Nathan...can you fill us in...have you been having problems with the site or is it "THEY"?

Billy said...

Sue said "Rodney: When ‘wondering out loud’; please consider the young in the faith..."

Food for thought for me, too, because sometimes I wonder out loud.

What I'm wondering out loud now is I wonder how many Christian newbies would actually come to this site?

I didn't get into Bible prophecy seriously until my mid 20's. (I'm 48 now). Though the seeds were actually planted in my mind at a very young age (I think around 8-10 years old). I remember seeing Hal Lindsey commercials on his book "The Late Great Planet Earth" as a young boy. I didn't understand what he was talking about but the seed planted and grew since the first book I read on the end times was that very book.

If anyone else would care to say I'd be interested to know how old you were when you first thought about Bible prophecy.

(p.s. In preview mode I noticed my last post shows up twice! Maybe "THEY" are at work)

Expected Imminently said...

Billy

Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once...

I was around 8 to 10 I think? I know what it was that alerted me. A new volcanic island formed in the sea, and I was SO excited as Jesus said there would be earthquakes in DIVERSe places, and I thought that was IT - an earthquake under the sea where divers go! :)

My parents thought I had 'turned'!

Sue
x

Billy said...

Sue, can you translate your following sentence into Yanklish please?

"My parents thought I had 'turned'!"

???

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Billy

Turned with phase of the moon, gone nuts! :)

Sue
x

DrNofog said...

I guess it's my turn to say "There y'ar, EI!!"

We wuz worried about you here and there, as I thot I may have spooked you by my email!

I always wundered where they finally came up with that name "Luna-tic"...

and

"...A new volcanic island formed in the sea..."...
Please tell me that wasn't Vesuvius/Pompeii you wuz seein'!!
;-D

Expected Imminently said...

Beloved DrNofog

Vesuvius!!!! Give EI a break; I ain’t as old as all that... naw, it was Krakatoa.

8~}

Nathan Jones said...

Sorry, a strange glitch didn't post Part 4, but it's up now.

DrNofog said...

Nathan, you lost all the comments that were up on the 12th, same as Scott over at http://prophecyupdate.blogspot.com/2011/05/back-on-line.html, cuz when I came back later in the evening everything was frozen at what had been up as of the 11th.
My comments were gone too, both here and there.

Of course, I panicked since I was on my wife's 'puter and didn't have my bookmarks to ck any other Christian sites other than you and Scott's, so I thot the worst had begun.

I had asked Scott if it Was related to the 30min "fire works" in the Dallas sub-station, but he's on the east coast and knew nothing about it, so I sent him this:

Scott, Here's the link to the "fireworks" I mentioned earlier in Soros Back in the News:

Amazing video shows transformers exploding in Fort Worth

Comments were funny too:
Porkey: "Set it to music would be cool."

Lady Karen of the Blue Dr: "Reminds me of the light show from the movie Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind..LOL"

Jana: "That really is cool...and pretty! Kudos to Brian. Most amatuer video makes you sick trying to watch through all the movement. Very well done!"

Reno: "high speed filming of this slowed down with a little Pink Floyd would be most awesome."

Angry Bob: "Yep, clearly the work of space aliens but al Qaeda will probably claim credit."