How do the prophetic teachings of Irvin Baxter, Jr., line up with the Bible?
I have lately started receiving many inquiries concerning the prophecy ministry of Irvin Baxter, Jr., of Endtime Ministries. His ministry Web address is www.endtime.com.

Points of Caution
Awhile back when I had originally begun to surf his website, several red flags started popping up. First, I could not find a statement of faith. I looked for a good ten minutes and was about to give up my search, when I stumbled across a statement of faith in a very peculiar location. It was on the page where you enter your name and address to subscribe to his prophecy magazine. It is now located under "About Us."
The statement provoked continuing concern. It was vague and general in nature, consisting of only three sentences. When I run across such statements, they always prompt me to wonder if the person is hiding something. It has been expanded a little bit since.
That question may have been answered by the next red flag I encountered. It was on the ministry's links page, the page where links are supplied to other websites. Only eight links to "religious sites" were supplied, and three of those were links to sites affiliated with the United Pentecostal Church, a group that denies the foundational Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
The third red flag I encountered was also on the links page. I noticed that there was not a single link to another prophecy ministry. (We have over 25 links to other prophetic ministries on our web site and many links to Messianic ministries, many of which are prophetic in nature.) This glaring omission caused me to assume that Mr. Baxter must have some off-the-wall prophetic interpretation that no one else agrees with. That assumption was to prove true.
Personalized Interpretations
The meat of the website is to be found on the "Frequently Asked Questions" page, now titled "Urgent Questions." It doesn't take long to discover that Mr. Baxter is a person with a very personal and unique interpretation of Bible prophecy, something we are warned against in the Scriptures (2 Peter 1:20).
It would take more space than I have available to summarize and counter all of Mr. Baxter's unusual interpretations of prophecy, so I will mention only a few.
He denies that Revelation is written in chronological order. He does not, therefore, believe that the Seal Judgments will be followed by the Trumpet Judgments during the first three and one half years of the Tribulation — as the plain sense meaning of Revelation indicates. He takes this position because he argues that several of both the Seal Judgments and the Trumpet Judgments have already taken place!
The normal, plain sense interpretation of Revelation 6 is that it marks the beginning of the Tribulation with the Antichrist going forth on a white horse to conquer the world. A world war ensues, and one-fourth of the world's population dies from war (the red horse), famine (the black horse), pestilence and wild beasts.
Mr. Baxter argues that the fulfillment of the Seal Judgments has nothing to do with the Tribulation. He asserts that the fulfillment of these judgments began in 325 AD when the Emperor Constantine presided over a Church Council that produced the Nicene Creed (a creed, interestingly enough, that laid the foundation for the doctrine of the Trinity). In short, he identifies the white horse of Revelation 6 as Roman Catholicism, the black horse as Capitalism, and the red horse as Communism. This all makes for very interesting reading, but it simply is not sustained by the text, for it violates the plain sense meaning.
Another example of Baxter's off-the-wall style of interpretation is found in his assertion that the world empires revealed to Daniel in Daniel 2 include the Holy Roman Empire. He sees the succession as Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, the Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire. That is not the succession portrayed in Daniel 2. The Roman Empire is followed by an empire of iron mixed with clay — representing the unstable, final world empire of the Antichrist. The proof that this is the last empire of history is found in the fact that this is the empire that is suddenly destroyed by a stone that represents the kingdom of Jesus Christ when He returns.
There is no place in the scenario for the Holy Roman Empire, which was an empire in name only. Baxter tries to insert the Holy Roman Empire because he wants to argue that it is the one that will be revived in the end times, rather than the Roman Empire. And he tries to advance this argument so that he can sustain his contention that the "fatal would that will be healed," referred to in Revelation 13:3, is a reference to the Berlin Wall being removed so that Germany (which was the heart of the Holy Roman Empire) could be reunited.
Mr. Baxter does further damage to the book of Daniel when he contends that the symbols used in chapter 7 refer to Great Britain, Russian, and Germany. Again, this runs contrary to the plain sense meaning of the passage. In Daniel 7, God gives Daniel a vision of the same succession of empires as he was given in chapter 2. The difference is that in chapter 2 they are seen from the viewpoint of Man — as glorious political kingdoms — whereas in chapter 7 they are presented from the viewpoint of God — as ravenous wild beasts.
One of the strangest statements on Mr. Baxter's website concerns the Rapture. In response to a question about the timing of the Rapture, he says, "Unfortunately, rapture timing debates between brothers in Christ often become divisive, and for this reason, Entime has chosen to avoid the issue for now." I was astonished by this non-answer. Here is a person with an opinion on everything in the prophetic scriptures, yet he chooses to "avoid" one of the most important issues! It didn't make any sense to me.
I was even more astonished when I continued reading, for in the very next paragraph, Mr. Baxter states that he believes that the Rapture and the Second Coming are "the same event." Well, if they are the same event, then the Rapture must take place at the end of the Tribulation — so much for "avoiding" the issue.
To sustain this position, Mr. Baxter proceeds to try to explain away some passages that imply a pre-Tribulation Rapture. In doing so, he presents the most peculiar and bizarre interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2 that I have ever run across. The passage states that the Antichrist cannot be revealed until that which restrains him is removed. I believe this is talking about the Church since the Church is the entity that the Holy Spirit works through to restrain evil in the world. Mr. Baxter contends that the restrainer is "time." Yes, time! It's just not the right time for the Antichrist to be revealed, he says, and when the time is right, the revelation will occur. Well, I would agree with that, but the statement fails to deal with the question of what is going to be removed? How do you remove time?
Mr. Baxter' approach to prophetic interpretation makes it clear why the plain sense meaning rule is so important. That rule states: "If the plain sense makes sense, don't look for any other sense, or you will end up with nonsense." As with Mr. Baxter, you will end up with a very personal interpretation that no other prophecy teacher is willing to endorse.
I urge caution with regard to Mr. Baxter and his unique interpretations. Remember 2 Peter 1:20 — "No prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation." Frank Stagg in his book, How to Understand the Bible, says, "God does not grant private disclosures that are withheld from other people."
1 Corinthians 14:29 says that when a prophet speaks, his words are to be evaluated by others, for "the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets" (1 Corinthians 14:32). This essay has been written in the spirit of that admonition. I am thankful that Mr. Baxter is emphasizing the Lord's soon return, but at the same time I urge great caution regarding his very personal interpretations of Bible prophecy.








38 comments:
According to your link on this page to "Who's Who in Bible Prophecy?" this guy is a bad apple.
Good point regarding links to other prophecy sites. This can sometimes be quite revealing.
Dewey Bruton's links are a red flag!
rg
Thanks for this write-up; I'm a fan of L&L Ministries on DirectTV and I came across Baxter's show. Despite some slick production value, I soon realized his eschatology was way off...thank God for ministries like L&L that preach "solo scriptura"!
I am confident Baxter is like all the self proclaimed prophets and apostles running around to day – all fakes imho.
What does Baxter make of Israel and the Church – as he isn't following a literal interpretation, then its allegorical? From my unpleasant experiences they are 'replacement' to one degree or another.
Not all replace Israel with the Church completely; which is deceiving, but do teach God has only one people (because) the 'church' (ecclesia means a gathering) was in the wilderness with Moses (Acts7:38) so – the church existed in the O.T. and wasn’t born in Acts 2. Some say the O.T. saints are not the church, but they are the ‘body of Christ’?????
Here’s a clue in his 2nd Statement.
“The gospel of the kingdom is the message that the church of Jesus Christ has been commissioned to teach…”
Not so, the gospel of the kingdom concerned Israel for the Messianic Rule on planet earth with Jesus seating on David’s throne. As the religious leaders rejected Jesus, THE Gospel preached by the Church of Jew AND Gentile is 1Cor.15:1-4.
This suggests to me Baxter is a form of confused ‘replacement’.
Sue
Thanks for the evaluation of Irvin Baxter! I listened to him but no longer!
Irvin Baxter is no false prophet. You call him that because you have believed a lie so when the truth comes out you deny it. Bro Baxter was the only prophecy teacher to teach that the Berlin wall would be torn down,& he wrote in his book "A message for the president" written in 1986 3 years before it happend. He uses the Bible to support his views and believes.
I listen to alot of Bible prophecy teachers because I think they all have a piece of the truth about some things and like listening. Now I dont listen to seventh day adventist nor Jahovah witnesses but I do listen to Irvin Baxter because his teaching makes more sense and alot of what he has said has come to pass. I don't believe him just because he sounds good but he backs it up. I understand that we need to watch for false teachers but Irvin is definetly not that, he is a true man of God.I believe he speaks truth and he does not teach replacement theology like one person said.I dont believe in replacement theology and know that he doesnt teach that. I do see that and I'm not saying that you do this but I see some bible prophecy teachers are competing on whos the best teaching or so-called Pride. This doesn't need to be . I believe he's got alot of truth and just because some have a different view on when the rapture will take place shouldnt be fighting about it but just be ready at all times and Irvin says that often. Just like alot dont believe United States is in the bible but I can see where it is.
It is every Christins duty to challenge a minister or teacher or even a false prophet. I liked listening to I. Baxter, but soon caught on that he didn't back up his teaching, nor could I. I tried believe me, but failed. All scripture can be referenced from New to Old. When you get stuck, try going to the original writings. Still it didn't hold up. I try to be impartial. He is expecting a World War when Pslam 83 and Is 17:1 - 4 should be on the horizon. He has great hope for the USA, but it's easy to see now the truth is the current administration is not only no pro Israel, but aligning themselves with The Muslim brotherhood, CAIR and the large international Muslim group. Obama is literally freightened of anything to do with Christ, the Bible or even symbols. He also has stated he intends to bring down America and Israel upon his 2nd term. Will he win again. We deal with powers and principalities and a great deal of voter fraud. Could be setting up quite the way he intends.
I'm not sure what some of you are talking about that Bro Baxter doesn't back up his teachings. I'm watching his videos now and he clearly backs up his teachings. He backs up.his teachings in Revelation with Daniel and Zachariah. Everything he says makes sense and is clearly explained. It seems to me because he doesn't recognize the Trinitarian doctrine you want to discredit him but his teachings are biblically sound.
I agree
I saw him recently on TBN with Perry Stone. I didn't understand anything that he was trying to say. Perry knows his scriptures very well. I don't even know why they had him on the air when most Christians don't even believe and agree to what he is saying. He thinks we will be here for part of the tribulation period. Well he can stay here if he wants, but when I hear that trumpet sound, I'll be out of here because I'm going with Jesus who has promised to spare us from God's wrath.
Out of all the prophecy teachers out there today I agree with Bro. Baxter 90% of the time. He uses scripture to back up want he says. The only reason most people disagree with him is because it goes against the false doctrines they were raised with. It might shock some people but there are those in the United Pentecostal Church who disagree with him as well, but when they see that the church is here during the tribulation they'll wish they would have listened to him.
Baxter is in it for the money. His website is full of merchandise dvds that sell in the hundred dollar range. yes dvds priced at $400 and $500. I attended a local church in which baxter preached at an end time conference. It felt like one giant infomercial,baxter would preach for 5 or 6 minutes then sell some dvds, preach for 5 or 6 more minutes and sell more dvds.
The collection plate went around 2 or 3 times that night, baxter and the local pastor raked in the cash that night. I am pretty good at sensing if a man is really a christian or pretending to be. I shook baxters hand before he even began his conference and talked to him for a minute. And what a sensed was that this man is far from a christian. He was very arrogant and prideful.
He is no different then jimmy swaggart and the rest of these guys who make a living off of Christianity. Jimmy regularly got $1,000 checks from followers. people need to understand many men decided to use bible and christ to make them self a nice bank account full of dough.
I have been blessed to hear some of his teaching and preaching. I wish I could go with his tour to Israel this year.
The discussion at hand in 2 Thess. 2 concerns the rapture:
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him." 2:1
The rapture cannot occur until the antichrist is revealed:
2:3 "... for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
According to the book of Daniel, the ressurection/rapture will occur at at time when the antichrist has made his residence upon the temple mount.
11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
As a teacher of Irvin Baxter's material I will first and foremost say that this is a poor representation of his material. You not not only misquoted Irvin but you made statements based on tradition which have ZERO scriptural basis. Irvin is by far one of the most humble and knowledgeable prophetic teachers ever. His video packages aren't for HIS monetary benefit, it is to support his overseas tv programs, magazines,and Bible colleges to win over souls. Anyone who thinks Irvin is a money grabbing false prophet needs to see his car and house. Hardly fits the mold. God told Daniel that his words would be sealed up for those people of the endtimes. The reasoning behind this is to establish one final revival.
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I listen to Irvin Baxter on TV and he makes more sense than any other prophecy preacher/teacher I have heard. He has common sense and intelligently explains things and does back it up with scripture. He doesn't appear prideful or arrogant at all. I have heard many Godly men preach about end times and most of them vary somewhat on their views and they are all very well meaning people who love the Lord. I'm not going to bash anyone for this. If something deals with a salvation issue, that's a different story. I think it's amazing that God said these things would be sealed up until the end times, that we would not be able to fully understand these things until then. I think we are truly able to make more sense out of all these things now. One last thing, we all need to ask God for wisdom and discernment, to help us understand, and stop criticizing people if they don't interpret things exactly as we do. May God Bless us all and help us all to understand what he is revealing to us.
I was very glad to see that you had critiqued Irvin Baxter's teachings. I have great respect for you, Dr. Reagan, and for your ministry. It took about 10-15 minutes the first time I heard Irvin Baxter, to know that he was way off course. He has just enough truth to keep some people listening. Truth distorted can be more dangerous than an outright lie. Thank you for urging caution concerning Mr. Baxter's teachings. I hope your advice will be heeded.
It is obvious, since the 6th seal, the 7th trumpet, and the 7th vial all describe the same event, that the seals, trumpets, and vials do not occur chronologically. Once that revelation is understood, and that it is this event (6th seal/7th trumpet/7th vial) that constitutes the wrath of God, the timing of end time events begins to make sense. Jesus, in Matthew 24, said the last trumpet (7th) will occur immediately AFTER the tribulation, the church will be raptured, then the wrath of God will be poured out. I never heard this until Irvin Baxter. Thank God for a ministry that will teach the truth!
I've been watching Mr. Baxter for several months. His view concerning Daniel chapter 7 is the same as the view I came to 20 years ago. Today prophesy "experts" have mostly all been infected with certain doctrines that are not sound. One example is the Pre-Trib Rapture. This reviewer proves his false indoctrination on the subject when he references 2 Thess. chapter 2. 2 Thess. chapter 2 is Paul's description of the "Abomination of Desolation" spoke of by Daniel the Prophet and confirmed by Jesus Christ. Paul tells us how we will know the "Man of Sin" the "Son of Perdition" by what we see him do. He will sit in the temple of God professing himself to be God.
Anyone can trace the timing of the Abomination of Desolation and see that it comes shortly after the first 42 months of the final 7 years. This means it happens in the mid-trib time era. This corresponds with the mandatory Mark of the Beast. The world will be faced with the "hour of temptation" which call come upon the whole world to try them.
I could list various scriptures that indicate that Christian believers will be on earth at this time. These scriptures fly in the face of the Pre-Trib rapture theory.
Most of these seminary Doctor's of Divinity, etc. are brainwashed with this false doctrine. I don't agree with Mr. Baxter on the timing of the "rapture" which is really the "first resurrection." But I do agree with a lot of his conclusions about the "Beast" and the woman who rides the beast.
Just because these modern day "prophecy experts" don't agree with him or confirm his views doesn't mean Mr. Baxter is a false prophet. They may be the false prophets.
I have recently bought some of his dvds and want to know more about bible prophecy. I have been looking at many people but my question is. If everybody is a false prophet who is not a false prophet? I guess I need to need to get in the bible about prophetcy more. I haven't checked him out that well. I know Jack Van Impe have the same problem and Hal Lindsey who is legit in these last days?
David Regan is no better qualifier than any person that studies prophecy. Of course he thinks he is correct. Mr Baxter's Dan 7 is by far the most sensible than many other Propheciers. Hilton Sutton, Hal Lindsey, Arnold Fructenbaum, Chuck Misler, Perry Stone, Grant Jeffries and many more all think they have the answer. Mr Baxter is not trying to convince anyone. His interpretation is there for anyone to read and if you disagree don't moan about him being a false prophet or anyone else. Nobody knows all the answers. It is for sure rarely does a preacher mention anything about end times. Many articles and videos Mr Baxter shows backs up a lot of what he says. Another purpose of his ministry is to get people interested in Bible study and salvation. Mr Regan is no authority to put all your faith into. Study the scriptures yourself and make your own decision. Mr Regan
does misquote Mr Baxter so be careful. I am ordained and 81 yrs old so I know a little more than the average seminary student. I also studied Hebrew for 5 yrs and if you haven't you have no idea why Jesus was baptized.
One more word about following one person and no others. I notice Mr Reagan believes in Trinity. There is no such thing. Jesus said He and the Father are one. You can't divide one. Trinity teaching was started by a man named Arian (Google it) after 200 Ad. This was discussed at the Nicene Conf. Many church fathers did not agree with this teaching. Elohim in Hebrew in Gen 1 has nothing to do with Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It is plural because it is masculine and fenine. It refers to God and all of his creation which includes angels.
Notice that is the only word used for God in Gen 1. In Gen 2-3 the words Lord and God are used 20 or so times. The word Adonai is Lord and refers to the covenant God along with Elohim the creator God.
Deut 6:4 The Lord out God is one in
Hebrew. Jesus was God in human flesh not another individual. His final crowning of course was being baptized before he received the Holy Spirit. Why was he baptized if He had not sinned??
John, my denying the fundamental biblical teaching of the Trinity you've only substantiated Dr. Reagan's analysis of Baxter.
The whole Unitarian argument dies at the Creation "in our image" (Gen. 1:26), Jesus' baptism (Matt. 3:13-17), Transfiguration (Lk. 9:28-36), and Crucifixion (Mk. 15:33-34), among other references. The Bible is full of evidence that God is one entity in three separate and distinct parts.
Job 13:6-10 (KJV)
6Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. 7[Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?] 8[Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?] 9[Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye ] so[ mock him?] 10[He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.]
Malachi 1:9(KJV)
9[And now, I pray you, beseech God that he will be gracious unto us: this hath been by your means: will he regard your persons? saith the ] Lord[ of hosts.]
There is but ONE GOD!!! His name is Jesus!!!
John 20:28-29 (KJV)
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29[Jesus saith unto him, ] Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Mr. Baxter might be wrong eschatologically, but I doubt that his personal belief about the Trinity is much different from a genuine Christian's.
I've seen his show many times, and though I disagree with him, he has a deep love of Israel and God's Word, no matter how flawed his eschatological interperatations.
It concerns me that L & L would so callously reject Rev Baxter and his insights. I fear you may have been with the Pharisees of Jesus' day since you seem to be unwilling to have an open mind since the "end times" might not be just as you imagined. The second coming may be just as far from what the "mainline" believers as was the first coming of Christ !
All one has to do is listen to the first minute of Irvin Baxter's radio/TV shoe to know the man is a false prophet. His byline is "Politics determines how we'll live here on earth. Religion determines how we'll live forever" which is total heresy. Religion does not determine how we'll live forever, our relationship with Christ (or lack of) determines how we will live forever. He has replaced the Supreme Sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with religion. That is total heresy.
If Jesus is not also the Father,
Why in Isaiah 9:6 is the child's name The Mighty God and
The Everlasting Father.
Why in Colossians 2:9 does it say
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
In Hebrews 1:3 Jesus is said to be the express image of God.
We being made in His image (not images) are also three in
one : body (which we can see), and soul and spirit ( which
cannot be seen), unseperable,
except by God and only then to put on that eternal body
never to be seperated again.
If The Father and the Holy Ghost are not one. How is it that
Mary was concieved of the Holy Ghost but calls on the Father.
Colossians 1:15 refering to Jesus says "Who is the image
of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"
This implies to me that God is invisible and can take any
form He wishes, as when He and the two angels that went
down to Sodom and Gommorah, met with Abraham.
Thanks and may God Bless.
If you trinity believers would research history, and the Bible you would find the Catholic Church in Rev. 17 is the great Whore and she is the Mother of Harlots. The Whore has changed all the teachings of the 12 Apostles,she invented the trinity!The Greek philosopher(Justin)a non Christian started trying to explain the Bible between 130-180A.D.after all the Apostles and most of the Christians were killed.He stated the Father was a god and the son was a lesser god and laterhe decided the Holy Ghost was a god also.The year 325 A.D.is when the mode of baptism was changed to the Father,Son&Holy Ghost.The Harlots is Churches that came out of the Catholic Church starting in 1517 the reformation with Martin Luther. All the Churches keep the same baptism mode as the Catholic Church.The Catholic encyclopedia has this recorded,there is also 4 or 5 other encyclopedias that records this also.I don`t have all the names with me but it is in them.So if you belong to a Church that believes in the trinity then you belong to one of the harlots.I know this is hard on you if you believe in the trinity, I use to be one myself until I did my own research of history and the Bible and if you want to know the truth and not just believe the traditions of men handed down for 1800 years from the Whore your eyes will see the truth!You can not do this overnight.IN Rev God tells the people to come out of the Whore so you won`t be destroyed with her. If people would just believe God and not man they would be alot better off!
If we believe the bible is the true word of God and we believe in the what Jesus said is truth then read Matthew 24 and your pre-rap theory will disappear. I fear the mindset of those who have been deceived in thinking that they wont have to endure any of the hardships of the tribulation and then find themselves here when it occurs. My real heartbreak comes when I read articles from good Christian people who find it necessary to batter other children of God because of theology taught that may be not in line with what they believe. The Rapture I regard as one of those grey areas of scripture because so many have backed up their different viewpoints with scripture and all sound legite in there respective studies. Bottom Line is Jesus is coming back and whether we believe its before during or after we must be ready regardless. Our salvation is not based on this issue but whether we believe Jesus said who He was is truth. There is much to do before Our Lord returns and the Harvest is plentiful. I am not here to judge those who claim to have a personal relationship with Jesus but rather to reach those who do not. God will convict those who make false claims and I am not worthy to do His job for Him. Remember Heb 4-13.
irvin baxter is not a false teacher. i listen to irvin baxter and i highly recommended people to go to irvin baxter's website and can always call him and know more about his theology. if you really want to know why he believe's the seals and trumpets already happened he gives a different view on it that it already it happened. i used to be against to what he said till i listen to his 7 trumpets dvd on tbn archives and will islam rule the world on tbn archives. type in there at tbn archives end of the age with irvin baxter. david reagen has a problem with it because he don't teach it.
Numbers don't qualify anyone. You can't claim that someone is a false prophet because few other teachers agree with him. Few teachers in Jesus' day recognized Him as Messiah. In Kings 22, four hundred prophets told the king of Israel that he would succeed in battle—only one told him the truth, that he would surely fall.
I'm not saying that Mr. Baxter is the lone revealer of truth, only that the fact that others disagree with him doesn't Biblically disqualify him.
I think it is quite obvious the Bible clearly describes two comings of Christ, one is public for all to see (at the end of the tribulation) and one is a secret coming (the rapture):
"38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into."
How can a post-tribulation rapture be so surprising and secretive? All Christians will know it is coming if all of the end time events have occurred. To me, the above verses destroy the post tribulation theory.
What a person does not believe in the trinity then I automatically quit listening. This is an essential.
Baxter was an apostolic pastor and carries this over into his ministry of today.
The discussion at hand in 2 Thess. 2 concerns the rapture:
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him." 2:1
The rapture cannot occur until the antichrist is revealed:
2:3 "... for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
Another reason that the pre-trib rapture is not true is found in the book of Daniel.
"And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Daniel 11:45
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:1-2
Do you see it? I never noticed it before.
The anti-christ will be revealed and take residence in the Holy Mountain prior to the rapture (resurrection). Many years later, Paul also predicted that the anti-christ would come prior the rapture. (2 Thess. 2:3 "... for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."
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