Thursday, June 30, 2011

McGee on the End Times: Different Views

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Why are there so many different views of end-time Bible prophecy?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of our old friend Evangelist Don McGee on the show Christ in Prophecy. Don is the founder and director of Crown & Sickle Ministries (Rev. 14:14) based in Amite, Louisiana. Don travels all over the Unites States preaching about the soon return of Jesus Christ and speaking at Bible prophecy conferences.


Don McGee

Don McGee: First of all, I would like to address this term "Pan-Millennialist." I do hear that term from time to time, usually a lot from pastors. It's usually intended to evoke a chuckle or a laugh. I don't see it that way. If someone is really a Pan-Millennialist, it indicates to me they are not willing to study. How can you study Bible prophecy from Genesis all the way to Revelation and not have an opinion? If you read the Bible literally, then you are going to come out with what I believe to be a Pre-Millennial, Pre-Tribulation opinion about end time events. I don't see any other option.

Dr. Reagan: I used to have a colleague named Dennis Pollock. He used to get so aggravated at pastors who were saying, "Well, I'm just a Pan-Millennialist." He would say about them, "Those people would have been really good members of the Know-Nothing Party back before the Civil War, because they just are admitting that they know nothing about Bible prophecy and don't care to know a thing about it.

Don McGee: Anybody with money invested in the stock market does not take a "pan-stock market" attitude, so why would they take it with Scripture?

Nathan Jones: Pan-Millennialists that I've run into look at Bible prophecy and say that those of us who get into the subject must just sit on our suitcases twiddling our thumbs while waiting for Jesus to come back. They believe we are no good to anybody. But, that is not the case. Bible prophecy makes us motivated to preach the Word.

Don McGee: It certainly does! I believe that one of the reasons we have so many bad attitudes about the study of end times is because people want to hear what they want to hear. If you don't want to hear about the imminent return of Jesus, then you are going to take the attitude that well the Lord says a year is like a thousand and a thousand years is like a day to Him, that kind of thing. That clearly was not a hermeneutical principle that He was establishing there.

Dr. Reagan: Don, isn't also rooted in whether or not you approach the Scriptures for their plain sense meaning or whether you tend to spiritualize them?

Don McGee: Why would we spiritualize Scripture? If you spiritualize Scripture you can make it mean anything you want it to mean. That makes you God. It also stabs the conscience. I wouldn't have to really worry about what the Bible truly says because I would see it as meaning something else. We don't spiritualize directions to putting furniture together, do we? If you are learning to fly an airplane and that guy gives you a check-list, you don't spiritualize that do you?

Dr. Reagan: That's a good point! When I was growing up in church the only message that I ever heard concerning Bible prophecy was this, "There is not one verse in the Bible that even implies Jesus will ever put His feet on this earth again." Well, when I was about 12 years old, I discovered Zechariah 14 which said Jesus was coming back to the Mount of Olives. I took that passage to my preacher and asked what it meant. I will never forget how he read it and read it. I don't think he ever read it before. When he finally looked up he said, "Son, I want to tell you something. I don't know what it means, but it doesn't mean what it says." What he meant was that the verse couldn't mean Jesus was coming back to the Mount of Olives because it disagreed with his understanding of end time events.

Don McGee: What else do you need to say? That betrays the true attitude of the Pan-Millennialist. If someone is seeking the truth, and as Christians we need to do that, then we are not going to take that attitude. We are going to read Zechariah 14 and look at other texts that are similar to it and are going to arrive at a Bible-based conclusion.

People will say, "Bible prophecy is apocalyptic, therefore it never means what it says." That sounds almost like a disease, right? No, "apocalyptic" is an excuse term. That's a buzz word that is used almost like the "Pan-Millennial" buzz word. The idea is that if I say something is apocalyptic then God is going to relieve me of any responsibility of studying this and arriving at a conclusion that is definitive according to Scripture. It takes me off the hook.

Dr. Reagan: The interesting thing about the book of Zechariah is that it is an apocalyptic book, yet every prophecy in it about the First Coming meant exactly what it said.

Don McGee: I have a problem sometimes with people who look at Bible prophecy all spiritualized. For instance, if you go to the book of Micah you will find that they spiritualize a text having to do with the Lord's coming, but when another passage talks about the First Coming of Jesus they will declare, "That is absolutely accurate, that is literal." Well, my question is, "Where do you draw the line? Show me the chapter and verse where you draw the line from spiritual to literal." It can't be done.

Dr. Reagan: That's right! When you start spiritualizing, brother, you get into trouble. The two parts of the Bible that are spiritualized the most are the beginning and the end. Spiritualizers will claim the Creation wasn't really six days, but that it was really 600 million years for each day, or whatever. Then, they get to the end concerning the Millennial Kingdom and say it doesn't really mean it's a thousand years long. Those are the two parts that are most abused by spiritualization in saying scripture doesn't mean what it says.

Don McGee: I believe without question Satan is behind this spiritualization of Genesis and Revelation, because it lures people into a false sense of security about origins and also it lures them into a false sense of security about the return of the Lord. And, if you are going to say that God doesn't mean what He says then how do I know He means what He says about the Resurrection of the Saints or about salvation? We might as well just take these truths and trash them. If the Lord didn't mean what He said about taking us out of this world at the Rapture, then what else did the Lord say that I can doubt? Is the Lord really going to take us to Heaven, or am I going to just go into oblivion like the nihilist say. Or, will I spend eternity in Hell?


In the last part of our discussion with Don McGee concerning the end times, we'll ask him what the Amillennialists believe concerning the thousand year reign of Christ.

Wednesday, June 29, 2011

McGee on the End Times: Spiritual Condition of America

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What is the spiritual condition of America today?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of our old friend Evangelist Don McGee on the show Christ in Prophecy. Don is the founder and director of Crown & Sickle Ministries (Rev. 14:14) based in Amite, Louisiana. Don travels all over the Unites States preaching about the soon return of Jesus Christ and speaking at Bible prophecy conferences.


Don McGee

Dr. Reagan: Judge Robert Bork was a man who was nominated to be on the Supreme Court. It's a tragedy he didn't make it because he was just personally crucified. Judge Bork wrote a powerful analysis of American society in 2003 called, "Slouching Towards Gomorrah," in which he indicated that our nation like the Old Roman Empire was being destroyed by internal moral rot. Would you agree, and what would be your assessment of the spiritual condition of America today?

Don McGee: I think Judge Bork hit it just dead on. If that analysis was written today, it wouldn't be "Slouching Toward Gomorrah," I think it would be "A Headlong Fall Into the Morass of Evil." I believe that things have gotten much worse since he wrote that. We can see today that there are so many things which are contrary to God's nature and what He said about morality that are being put out there for acceptance by the public. We are not longer a God fearing nation.

I'm reminded of something that President Lincoln called for in the dark days of the Civil War. He called for a National Day of Prayer and Repentance. He said a lot of things in that call which you can pull up on the Internet and read what he said. One of the important points he made was that we have allowed our prosperity and our independence to propel us into a position where we think we've got everything. It's like we believe we've got a tiger by the tail on a downhill drag, meaning that we don't need to worry about God anymore. But, that is just not true.

Lincoln made that remarkable statement of his, and it basically attributed the whole Civil War as being due to our rebellion against God. He believed we needed to go to our churches and our synagogues and spend a whole day repenting and praying. I think if a President were to issue such a declaration like that today there would probably be an immediate move to impeach him. That's how far we've moved away. And, in a presidential election, I believe that if a candidate would stand up and say, "A National Day of Prayer and Repentance is what I will institute once I am inaugurated," I think that person would feel heat like no president ever has. I believe that he is going to see heat from different directions, too. He's going to see it from the Hollywood elite. He's going to see it from Wall Street. He's going to see it from Madison Avenue. He's going to see it from the Halls of Congress. But, more importantly, he's going to see it from a lot of so-called Christians.

Dr. Reagan: What are some of the indicators of moral rot in America today?

Don McGee: For one, the perversion of homosexuality being accepted as a normal lifestyle and as something that is genetically normal. Supporters of homosexuality even go as far as saying they're born that way, and that it is genetic and they can't do anything about it.

Dr. Reagan: Did you think you would ever live to see churches endorsing same-sex marriage?

Don McGee: When I was a young man I thought that would never happen. Not only are they endorsing same-sex marriages, but many of their leaders who are also practicing homosexuals and lesbians are being ordained as bishops and priests and preachers in direct opposition to God's Word. They pick a pig-path through the Scripture. They take scissors and they cut out what doesn't agree with them.

Nathan Jones: In cutting out the words of God that they don't agree with, they're acting as if Jesus isn't God and doesn't have anything to say about this sin?

Don McGee: Yes, how can you argue with the plain Word of God? In fact, these people don't even argue with it anymore because their hearts are so calloused. They just flat out reject it.

Then, there's the murdering of babies. No country can escape the wrath of God when they kill millions of little babies every year before they are even born. That is sin like other things are a sin, but to harm the innocent is from what I see in the Old Testament and in the New Testament when Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me," indicates to me that there is a special place in the great heart of God for the innocent.

Dr. Reagan: What about national debt? I consider that to be an immorality.

Don McGee: Stewardship is something that is taught throughout the Bible. Anytime you spend more then you take in, at least in my house, debt arises.

Dr. Reagan: What we are doing right now with out debt would be the equivalent to me going out and buying a fifty million dollar mansion and signing an agreement to pay for it over the next 200 years, putting that debt on my children, my grandchildren, and even my great-grandchildren. That would not be a moral action.

Nathan Jones: Years ago Japan passed something like an inheritance tax where their people could actually sign a contract like for a loan on a house and then pass that expense onto their grandchildren to pay for it. I remember we as a nation all got up in arms about the injustice of that tax when hearing of it, but now even ten years later we are doing the exact same thing to our children, we just don't point it out this time.

Don McGee: You can't make such debts yourselves at your house because you can't print money, but if you are the government then they can print as much money as they want, though it incurs debt and inflation.

Dr. Reagan: There are just so many signs of moral rot in America today. One of them certainly is vocabulary. I remember that in 1939 the first movie ever to have a curse word in it was Gone with the Wind. It was held up by the censors for several months because it had just one curse word in it right at the end. Today, you go to the average movie put out by Hollywood and the language is just absolutely overwhelming in terms of every horrible word you could possibly think of. We've become desensitized to cursing.

Don McGee: Absolutely! I just concur whole-heartedly. Recently I was in a family restaurant and there was a family of four: mom, dad, two kids. The language that was coming out of that father's mouth in front of his little children was absolutely atrocious, but he felt no problem using it.

Nathan Jones: Just go to the playgrounds. My kids play with other kids who swear like sailors. It sad that they are so young and you know they learned those words from their parents.

Don McGee: When I was a teenager, I didn't think girls burped. That was something they just didn't do, but I certainly knew that girls did not use that kind of language. Today, their mouths are as filthy as any sailor that I have ever heard. So, the weaker sex as it used to be called is no longer immune from that kind of degradation and foul language.

Dr. Reagan: We see a lot of moral decay has come from greed. Greed seems to be the motivating force in America today. No matter how much I've got, I've got to have more. This is certainly an indication of the moral rot of the nation. There are just so many signs of this decay. It's rather like the Old Roman Empire all over again in terms of its internal moral rot.

Don McGee: Another aspect of the decay is gambling. When you talk about gambling, you talk about a god. What you are doing is practical atheism. You are believing that you are in control of your life and that you are going to insure your future. You believe that what God has given you is not sufficient and so you've got to go out and get it some other way. For every one person that wins, a thousand people have to lose.

Dr. Reagan: One of the problems is that professing Christians are involved in all of this sin, too. If professing Christians would stop getting abortions, the abortion mills would have to close. If professing Christians would stop buying lottery tickets, they wouldn't have them. Because 85% of the people in America profess to be Christians, it could be argued that we are part of the problem.

Don McGee: Yes, I think that one of the reasons for this is because people really don't understand what "Christian" means anymore. It's become a cultural thing. They believe that since they were raised in a Christian home and went to church maybe once a year that they are a Christian. Cultural Christians claim that since their dad was a preacher or a deacon and their mom was a Sunday School teacher, then automatically they are a Christian.

Nathan Jones: What's sad about all this immorality, this not having the foundation of the Bible anymore, and I remember seeing it a lot especially during the 90's in songs by Alanis Morissette and others, is that after all this pleasure does not fulfill then apathy sets in. People have filled their lives with so much pleasure that never ever satisfies them that they end up becoming hopeless.

Dr. Reagan: That's a good point, Nathan, because most of our children today don't even know basic Bible stories like Adam and Eve and Moses. They don't even know the basic biblical concepts. They are quite biblically illiterate and so they have no moral basis upon which to make moral decisions. They have to turn to television which teaches you to solve all of your problems with violence.


In the next part of our discussion with Don McGee concerning the end times, we'll ask him why there are so many different end time viewpoints.

Tuesday, June 28, 2011

McGee on the End Times: Reach of the Gospel

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Does Matthew 24:14 mean that the Gospel needs to be preached to the whole world before the Rapture can occur?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of our old friend Evangelist Don McGee on the show Christ in Prophecy. Don is the founder and director of Crown & Sickle Ministries (Rev. 14:14) based in Amite, Louisiana. Don travels all over the Unites States preaching about the soon return of Jesus Christ and speaking at Bible prophecy conferences.


Don McGee

Nathan Jones: Matthew 24:14 reads, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." How do you interpret that verse?

Don McGee: That verse has been taken out of context so many times. Many take that verse to mean that the Gospel has to be preached to everybody in the world before Jesus can come back, but in reality that verse is talking about the Second Coming. It is not meaning that the Gospel has to be preached to the whole world before the Rapture of the Church.

After the Rapture, the world will hear the Gospel from the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish evangelists. Then there is this angel during the Tribulation who preaches the Gospel to the whole world. Revelation 14 tells us the Gospel angel circumnavigates the globe, preaching the Gospel to every person before the final pouring out of God's wrath. If you want a precedent for that, look at what happened in Egypt when the death angel moved across the land destroying the first born of the families. This is going to be totally different, of course, because it is going to instead be the preaching of the Gospel. God can move His messengers as He wills.

Nathan Jones: So, we don't have to reach every little tribal group in some Brazilian mountain or somewhere with the Gospel? This reaching the whole world is totally something after the Rapture?

Don McGee: That's right. Since the Rapture could happen at anytime, Matthew 24:14 has nothing to do with the Gospel going out to the whole world before the Rapture.

Dr. Reagan: I can think of a couple of other things that would bring people to the Lord, in fact, there are three others that come to mind right now. The first would be that the Rapture itself might convince some people, although there is going to be a lot of deception concerning the Rapture. Secondly, there are going to Bibles everywhere. In fact, in the front of my Bible I have written down what you must do to be saved. I have given people who may find my Bible this because they are not going to have a lot of time. So, there will be Bibles around. Thirdly, there will be the very pouring out of God's wrath. You know, our God is an amazing God. Even when He pours out His wrath, His fundamental purpose is not to punish. His fundamental purpose is to bring people to repentance so that they might be saved. It says in Isaiah when God plows the earth He does so for the purpose of bringing people to salvation.

Don McGee: That's right! God is not a tyrant. He's not some deity up there who wants to smash people. His grace and His mercy spring from His love, and He loved the whole world. The whole purpose behind this pouring out of God's wrath is to work with the Jewish people to help them come to salvation.

Dr. Reagan: I am glad that you mentioned that point because there is a fellow on MSNBC which is notorious for being liberal. Lawrence O'Donnell has a nightly program where he once said something like, "Anyone who believes the book of Revelation is nuts. It's a work of fiction. It reveals a horrible God who is worse than Hitler." What do you have to say about that?

Don McGee: I would say He is not the God that I know. Secondly, it sounds like O'Donnell doesn't know anything about the book of Revelation. I think he is probably parroting something that some heretic said years ago and still are saying today. I think that a person can read the book of Revelation with a prayerful attitude and understand exactly what the Lord wants us to see there. Dr. Henry Morris once said, "Revelation is not hard to understand, it is just hard to believe."

Dr. Reagan: The purpose of God's wrath is also to deal with rebellion, with hardcore sin. He has given people plenty of time to repent, but there comes a time when by His very justice He must deal with sin.

Don McGee: The precedent for that can be found in the book of Judges in that cycle of sin, if you remember. When you read about that cycle of sin you will see that every time the people came under persecution from the Philistines then they would repent and come back to God. That's the whole idea behind God's wrath.


In the next part of our discussion with Don McGee concerning the end times, we'll ask him for his assessment of the spiritual condition of America today.

Monday, June 27, 2011

McGee on the End Times: Place on the Timeline

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Where are we on the prophetic end times timeline?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of our old friend Evangelist Don McGee on the show Christ in Prophecy. Don is the founder and director of Crown & Sickle Ministries (Rev. 14:14) based in Amite, Louisiana. Don travels all over the Unites States preaching about the soon return of Jesus Christ and speaking at Bible prophecy conferences.


Don McGee

Don McGee: I believe that we are at the point where the return of Jesus for the Church — commonly called the Rapture — is imminent. I don't think that we can say any longer, "Well, it is going to come soon." Although I understand what people mean when they say that, I believe that imminent is a better word because it could happen at any moment. Imminent means it could happen right now. There is no delay. There is no prophecy that must be fulfilled and no event that must happen. It could easily happen today before sundown today.

Dr. Reagan: The signs of the times do not necessary point to the Rapture, but they do point to end time events like the Tribulation and the Second Coming, right?

Don McGee: There are two kinds of signs that you could look for in the Scriptures. You can go to Matthew 24 and read about events that Jesus said would happen during the Tribulation period. We are living in the shadow of those events right now, even today. All you have to do is look around and see what is happening in the world.

Secondly, you can go to 2 Timothy 3 where Paul describes to Timothy how people will be living in the last days. I believe Paul was talking about the last days of the Church Age.

I believe these two kinds of signs are a synergistic thing. When you take what Paul said about the events that would occur at the end of the Church Age and combine those with the events that Jesus said would happen during the Tribulation, then you have an increase in intensity and in volume of a world that has gone haywire and so requires the return of Jesus.

Dr. Reagan: Well, certainly, as you begin to look at the prophecies concerning the Tribulation and the Second Coming of Jesus and the signs that indicate those happening, we can look around and see those signs all over the place today. We can know for certain that the Rapture has to be right around the corner. And, moreso than ever before, right?

Nathan Jones: Two lessons that we as Christians should learn concerning an imminent Rapture is what Paul (2 Cor. 7:1) and John (1 Jn. 1:9) taught — that this should purify our lives. If we really believe that Jesus could come back at any moment for the Church, then that should be reflected in how we live. It should be reflected in our zeal for evangelism and it should be reflected in our living holy lives.

Dr. Reagan: As many know, I grew up in and attended a church for almost 30 years and never once during those 30 years did I ever hear the word Rapture. In fact, after 30 years of going to that church, if you had asked me what the Rapture was I would have said it was a sensation you feel when you kiss your girlfriend. So, tell me, just what is the Rapture?

Don McGee: I was very fortunate that the church group that I was raised with talked about the Rapture all of the time.

What the Rapture means is that Jesus is going to come back in the air. That event will be heralded by a trumpet and the voice of the Archangel. Death will release its hold upon Christians in that there will be a resurrection of Christians. This is a family affair and not a general resurrection that includes the unsaved. Christians shall be raised up and united with their immortal, glorified bodies to meet the Lord in the air. Then we are going back to Heaven for a period of seven years. That is the Rapture.

Two groups of believers will be caught up to Christ. Those who are alive at the event will be caught up, and also those who had already died will be caught up. The dead will be caught up first, then those who are alive will be caught up second. But, the catching up of both groups of believers is all going to happen in a period of time that is so fast it is just so hard to imagine.

Dr. Reagan: So, you are saying the Rapture then is an event that is separate and apart from what we usually refer to as the Second Coming?

Don McGee: They are totally separate and apart. They are not associated whatsoever. Now, they are both the return of Jesus, but it is going to occur in two stages. That's how a lot a people would put it, anyway. First to occur is the Rapture before the Tribulation, and then Jesus' victorious return thereafter.

We could have the Rapture happen even right now, and then when that happens afterwards at some point there will be a seven year period of time in which Jesus is going to deal with the Jewish people to bring them back to a saving knowledge of Him. Then, at the end of that seven year period we have the Second Coming of Christ.

There are no events that have to occur before the Rapture, but there are certainly events that have to occur before the Second Coming. For example, after the Church is taken out a man is going to arrive upon the scene. This guy is going to be a world ruler who is commonly called the Antichrist, in fact that is what God calls him in His Word. This man is going to have the answer to the world's problems, and again all you have to do is look around you and see that we have plenty of them already. If any man comes upon the scene and says, "I can fix that. I can give you peace and security and prosperity," then you can be sure the whole world will go for him. That's going to happen. This man is going to sign a document with Israel which also protects him, too.

Also, the Temple in Jerusalem is going to be rebuilt because we know that at the three and a half year mark in the middle of the Tribulation this Antichrist is going to go into that Temple and declare himself to be God.

Dr. Reagan: The moment we start talking about the return of Jesus I can imagine people just tuning out because they are thinking, "Oh, here is one of those crazy guys that sets dates. He is going to tell us the date Jesus is going to return." When we talk about the season of the Lord's return, we are not talking about a date, are we?

Don McGee: No, no, students of Bible prophecy have been accused of date setting. Most of the world is familiar with Harold Camping who was predicting that the return of Jesus would happen on a very specific date last May. Sadly, date setters have been around for a long, long time. The press always focuses on them, especially when their dates come and go.

People use these failed predictions to make fun of Christ and His return. People say, "Uh-huh, look at those Pre-Mil, Pre-Trib people out there. They are a bunch of crazies. The season of the Lord's return, why we are living in it right now."

I can't tell you what will be the hottest day of the year. I just can't predict that date. But, I can tell you the hottest day of the year is going to be in the summer time. Likewise, I can't tell you what day Jesus is coming back, but I can tell you that we are living in the season of it.

Dr. Reagan: The Lord wants us to know the season of His return. He certainly does. He does not wish that any should perish. He always, always warns before He pours out His wrath, and there is going to be great wrath poured out by God after the Rapture during the Tribulation. God does not want any to perish, so certainly He is going to give us signs to watch out for.

Don McGee: That is absolutely correct. One of the greatest signs of the Twentieth Century was the re-establishment of Israel. That was the pivot point. That's where you go first and then begin looking at the other signs such as the signs of nature and the signs of technology.

If you look at the world you can agree that we are now a becoming a world-wide citizenry. People don't even want to talk about borders. That is an indication that the whole world is coming together in a situation when the Antichrist can say, "I've got the answers and solutions, not just in your geographical area, but for the whole world."

Dr. Reagan: Nathan, you are on the Internet every day talking to people all over the world. Do you sense that people feel like we are living in the season of the Lord's return?

Nathan Jones: Especially among the people on the Internet who I talk to, there has been a great awakening due to all of the natural disasters afflicting the world lately. There's no doubt that we've been having a great increase in natural disasters. Before all the destruction the weather's caused people were not paying much attention, but now they are paying attention.

Dr. Reagan: It is amazing how natural disasters can get people's attention. When I was a kid living in Waco, Texas, in 1953 they had the worse tornado in the entire history of the state even to this day. Over 100 people were killed and the town was completely devastated. We had standing room only at all the churches, and it didn't matter whether they were Episcopal, Presbyterian, or whatever. We had standing room only for about six months, and then people started forgetting and drifting away again. But, there is something about God speaking through nature which He has done all through history that gets people's attention.

Don McGee: I think one of the reasons what is happening in nature gets our attention is because what happens in Japan for example affects what happens in America. We're all tied together. Look at the impact of Japan's earthquake and tsunami. It's not just a weather situation or a seismic situation, but it also affects the economy. It effects the provisions like the supply of food and clean water. Also, the radioactive clouds that moves across the earth affects us all. These are forces that we have no control over. Just look at what the volcano is Iceland did. It pretty much shut down Europe.

Dr. Reagan: These things are definitely increasing in frequency and intensity.

Nathan Jones: God does this to make sure the people like in Waco don't fall asleep again, or like we did after 9/11. God is constantly reminding us to stay in our relationship with Him and be watchful for His Son's soon return.


In the next part of our discussion with Don McGee concerning the end times, we'll ask him if Matthew 24:14 means the Gospel needs to be preached to the whole world before the Rapture can occur.

Friday, June 24, 2011

Rosado Interview: Church and Tribulation

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Will the Church have to endure any part of the Tribulation?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of August Rosado on the show Christ in Prophecy. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. Having a passion for all things Jewish, he can be found traveling the country waking the Church up concerning the soon return of Jesus Christ.


August Rosado

August Rosado: The Jewish people are back in their own homeland against all odds in preparation for Daniel's 70th Week of Prophecy. Now, when I say Daniel's 70th Week of Prophecy, I am referring to a future seven year period of tribulation that will come upon this world. I am reminded of Daniel 9:24 where God says, "Seventy weeks I determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city." "Thy people" is a reference to the Jewish people, and "thy holy city" is a reference to the City of Yerushaláyim in the Hebrew which we know as the city of Jerusalem. As a matter of fact, Jeremiah 30:7 tells us that the Tribulation period will be a "time of Jacob's trouble." He didn't say it was the "time of the Church's trouble." He didn't say it was the "time of the Christian's trouble." No, it is indeed a time of Jacob's trouble.

I am convinced that we will not be here when Daniel's 70th Week of Prophecy begins on this earth. I am reminded of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. I am reminded of what Paul said in Romans 5:9, "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." And, 1 Thessalonians 1:10 tells us, "That we are to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come." That is future tense — "from the wrath to come."

I am also reminded of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 where it says, "For God hath not appointed us unto wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." And, who can deny the words of Yeshua Himself the Lord Jesus in Revelation 3:10, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation that shall come upon all the world to try them [not us] but to try them who dwell on the earth." It is the proof of the pudding that we as a Church will not be here on this earth when that final week of Daniel's 70th Week of Prophecy transpires, that last seven year period of tribulation that will come upon this world. I am convinced we will not be here.

The Jewish people are back in their homeland, but they are back in unbelief. They must be back in unbelief in preparation for that future seven year period of Tribulation to come upon this world. It will be during that seven year period of Tribulation that the Jewish people will come to faith in Yeshau Hammashiach — Jesus the Messiah and Son of God.

The Bible tells us that the very end of the Tribulation period, Jesus Christ will return back to this earth at His Second Coming. Recorded in Revelation 19:11-16, John described, "I saw Heaven open and behold a white horse and He that sat upon Him was called faithful and true. And in righteousness doth He judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire; upon His head were many crowns; He had a name written that no man knew but He Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and His name was called the Word of God." Church, this is where we come in, in verse number 14, "And the armies which were in Heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen clean and white." That will be the Church that was Raptured just seven years earlier. We are coming back with Him seven years later.

The Bible says in Revelation 19:15 that, "Out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:16 says, "Upon his vesture (His prayer shawl, His tallit) upon His vesture and upon His thigh was a name written, 'King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.'" I'm telling you that on the day our Messiah is coming back as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords that we are coming back with Him.

Where will Jesus be coming to? He is returning to the nation of Israel. He is coming back to the city of Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:4 tells us that one day His feet will touch the Mount of Olives and the Mount of Olives is going to split.

Zechariah 12:10 tells us, "I will pour upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for Him as one who mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first born son." That is a Second Coming passage about Christ's return to this earth. John reiterates this in Revelation 1:7 where he says, "Behold, He cometh in the clouds and every eye shall see Him and they also which pierced Him. And all the kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him, even so Amen." What does that mean? It means that when Jesus returns at His Second Coming Israel will indeed know it, and they will look at Him and say, "Oy vey! He was the Messiah after all. How could we have missed it for the past 2,000 years?" That will take place at His Second Coming, and we are coming back with Him.

So, that's the reason why God has put the Jewish people back in their own homeland. It's in preparation for that future seven year period of Tribulation that will soon come upon this world.

But, before there can be a Battle of Armageddon, and before there can be a Second Coming of Jesus, and before there can be a seven year period of Tribulation, and before there can be a confirmation of a peace treaty by the Antichrist, the Bible says there must be the Rapture of the Church. In 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Paul says, "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

I am reminded of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Now, why would Paul tell us as a Church "to comfort one another with these words?" I'll tell you why, because we will not see one day of that seven year period of Tribulation that will come upon this world. Between Revelation chapters 4 and 19 there is no reference to Christians being on the earth, and there is no reference to the Church being on the earth. We will be in Glory.

In Heaven during the Tribulation, we are going to partake in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Revelation 19:7-8 describes this, "Let us be glad and rejoice and give honor unto Him for the Marriage of the Lamb has come and His wife hath made herself ready. And to her it was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white, for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints." There is going to be a beautiful banquet in Heaven one day, and if you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior you will also be there at that wedding banquet. Amen!

When we come back with Jesus, we will be riding on white horses. I remember being in Canada a couple of years ago preaching at a prophecy conference and I can remember riding this beautiful white horse. When I got on that horse I was reminded of Revelation 19:14, "That the armies which were in Heaven followed Jesus upon those white horses clothed in fine linen clean and white."

Remember where Jesus is coming back to? Jesus is coming back to Israel, specifically to the city of Jerusalem, and the Bible says that from there we will reign with Him for a thousand years. In Revelation 20:2-7, six times John tells us He will reign for a 1,000 years... a 1,000 years... a 1,000 years... a 1,000 years. This time will see a literal, bodily, physical reign of Jesus Christ right here on good old terra firma from the city of Jerusalem in the land of Israel. For a thousand years we're all going to be Israelis. Amen?

Why would you want to miss out on the most important event that will ever take place? It is still yet to come, this Rapture of the church.

Philippians 3:20-21 tells us, "For our conversation is in Heaven, from whence we also look for the Savior the Lord Jesus Christ: who shall change our vile body, that it might be fashioned like unto His glorious body according to the work whereby He is able to subdue all things unto Himself." One day Jesus is going to change our vile bodies that they may be fashioned like unto His glorious body.

The Bible then tells us that in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, we are going to be in His very presence because at the Rapture we are going to meet Jesus in the air. He doesn't touch down anywhere on the earth. But, seven years later at His Second Coming, Zechariah 14:4 says, "That on that day His feet shall touch the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof towards the east and toward the west and there shall be a very great valley; half the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half toward the south." I am reminded of Jesus' words in Matthew 24:27, "As lightening cometh from the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be."

Israel is mentioned 2,466 times in our Bible and God has a plan for Israel. He has a plan for the Jewish people. The Church has never and will never replace Israel. God has a plan for the Church that He is fulfilling right now during the Church Age, and He has a plan for the nation of Israel that He will fulfill in that future seven year period of Tribulation that will come upon this world.

One prophecy preacher put it this way, "When you see the signs for Christmas appearing in your department store, you know that there is another holiday that is even nearer, and that is Thanksgiving. When you see the signs for that upcoming seven year period of Tribulation coming upon this world, we then know that there is another event that is even nearer, and that is the Rapture of the Church."

Every single day that goes by is a day closer to the return of Jesus Christ. All I am going to say to that is "Maranatha, even so come, Lord Jesus!"

If you don't know Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior, I pray that today would be the day of salvation. Trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior and you'll be ready for that next event we call the Rapture of the Church.

Maranatha, even so come, Lord Jesus! Shalom.

Thursday, June 23, 2011

Rosado Interview: Israel the Cornerstone Sign

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Why is Israel considered the cornerstone sign of end time Bible prophecy?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of August Rosado on the show Christ in Prophecy. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. Having a passion for all things Jewish, he can be found traveling the country waking the Church up concerning the soon return of Jesus Christ.


August Rosado

August Rosado: The Bible teaches that the greatest miracle of the 21st Century was the rebirth of the State of Israel on May the 14th of 1948. As a matter of fact, God told the Jewish prophet Ezekiel in Ezekiel 36:24, "For I will take you from among the heathen and gather you out of all countries and will bring you back into your own homeland." Again, that was fulfilled on May the 14th of 1948. Can you imagine that? God revealed that to the Jewish prophet Ezekiel some 2,600 years ago, foretelling that the Jewish people would be back in their own homeland.

God also told the Jewish prophet Amos in Amos 9:15, "'For I will plant them upon their own homeland and they will be no more uprooted out of the land which I have given them,' sayeth the Lord." This is the reason why the Arab world was unsuccessful in trying to eliminate the Jewish state of Israel during the War of Independence in 1948, the 1956 Suez Canal War, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The Arad World was unsuccessful because of Amos 9:15. God has declared that the Jewish people would be brought back to their own homeland and no foreign entity would be able to uproot them again from their land.

We know that Satan is at work today trying to raise up modern day world empires to try to destroy the Jewish people, but God has other plans for His chosen people, the apple of His eye.

I am reminded of Deuteronomy 28 where God told Moses that the Jewish people would be scattered to the four corners of the earth. We know that was fulfilled in the year 70 AD when the Roman General Titus the son of Vespasian came into the city of Jerusalem and wiped out Herod's Temple and then scattering the Jewish people to the four corners of the earth.

However, God promised that the Jewish people would be restored back in their own homeland. Exactly 1,897 years after the destruction of the Temple, the Jewish people are back in their own homeland because God keeps His promises. God keeps His covenants. I am reminded of Titus 1:2 where it says that, "In hope of eternal life in which God who can not lie promised before the world began." God made promises to the Jewish people and God will keep His promises to the apple of his eye.

The Bible also tells us what the Jewish prophet Isaiah said. In Isaiah 66 it says, "Who hath heard such a thing, who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion travailed, as soon as Zion travailed she brought forth her children." Well, in just one day the nation of Israel was born — just as God revealed to the Jewish prophet Ezekiel and just as God revealed to the Jewish prophet Isaiah, that in one day the Jewish people would be back in their own homeland. And when was this? It was fulfilled on May the 14th of 1948.

God also restored the Hebrew language as foretold to the Jewish prophet Zephaniah in Zephaniah 3:9, "For then will I turn to the people a pure language..." God raised up a man by the name of Eliezer Ben Yehuda and used him to restore the Hebrew language to the Jewish people. And, of course, Hebrew is the official language spoken in the State of Israel today. If the rabbis had their way, Hebrew would not be the official language of the State of Israel, but according to the New Yeshuv Zionist Movement, Hebrew is now the official language of the State of Israel. Why? Because the Jewish prophet Zephaniah foretold it in Zephaniah 3:9.

To quote Israel's first Prime Minister David Ben Gurion concerning the rebirth of the Jewish State of Israel, "If you know the history of the modern story of Israel, if you know the story of Israel and what happened here and you do not believe in miracles, you are not realistic." If you don't believe that Israel is a modern day miracle of God as David Ben Gurion said, then it is you who are not being realistic. We see miracles concerning Israel throughout the entire Word of God, from Genesis 3:15 all the way to Revelation 22:20. Israel is indeed a modern day miracle of God.

God said in one day that nation would be born. And, in Isaiah 66, in one day they would be restored back into the land, which happened on May 14, 1948, fulfilling Ezekiel 36:24. In Jeremiah 34, eighteen times he tells us there that God says that He will keep His promises to Israel. He will keep His promises to the Jewish people, and that is exactly what He has done.


In the last part of our interview with August Rosado, we'll ask him if the Church will have to endure any part of the Tribulation.

Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Rosado Interview: Positive End Times Signs

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Are there any positive end times signs that point to the soon return of Jesus?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of August Rosado on the show Christ in Prophecy. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. Having a passion for all things Jewish, he can be found traveling the country waking the Church up concerning the soon return of Jesus Christ.


August Rosado


End Times Sign: Positive Spiritual Signs

Nathan Jones: Clearly we live in the Church of Laodicea time period which is defined by apostasy. That is a negative spiritual sign, but there certainly must be positive spiritual signs to give us hope during this time?

August Rosado: There are some positive spiritual signs. What we need to do is trust God and His holy Word and believe every jot and every tittle from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:20, but especially Revelation 22:20, "Yes, I am coming soon."

Dr. Reagan: I would say one of the most positive spiritual signs in this day and time is the preaching of the Gospel all over the world as it has never been done before, such as through the use of the Jesus film, through satellite television, through satellite radio, through missionaries going out all over the world, through the use of computers to translate the Bible rapidly into the many, many languages of the world, and so on. Boy, there are a lot of positive signs today! In fact, there are more people coming to Christ today than ever before in history, like 25,000 a day in China alone.

August Rosado: That's a real blessing. I'm even hearing of Muslims coming to faith in Jesus.

Nathan Jones: Especially in Africa, the imams are scared because the people are converting like crazy to Christianity over there.

August Rosado: And the imams ask, "We don't know why our people are turning to the Lord Jesus Christ?" If they wonder why, they just have to read Matthew 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Dr. Reagan: I'm glad you quoted that verse because I wanted you to comment on it, because that is probably the most common letter or email I get. People will quote that verse and say, "Jesus cannot come back until that is fulfilled, so don't talk to me about the Rapture occurring at any moment." How would you respond?

August Rosado: Matthew 24 deals only with the specifics of the Tribulation period. I know that many use Matthew 24:14 and apply it to the Church Age and say, "Until all the nations hear the Gospel, the Rapture of the Church cannot happen." But, that's referring to the Second Coming. That's not talking about the Rapture, because we can look at when God during the Tribulation period is going to raise up three groups or individuals to preach the Gospel.

Firstly, there will be the 144,000 Jews from Revelation 7, and they're not the Church by the way. They will consist of exactly 12,000 Jews from each of the twelve tribes of Israel. I take that passage literally. There is nothing there to suggest that we should take it allegorically. Exactly 144,000 male Jewish Israelis will be preaching the Gospel during the Tribulation period. When they finish their testimony we secondly have the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 who are going to be preaching the Gospel and multitudes are going to get saved. Thirdly, we have the Gospel angel in Revelation 14:6 preaching the everlasting Gospel.

Dr. Reagan: In the very end, God by His grace and mercy before He pours out His final wrath sends an angel who proclaims the Gospel to every person on planet earth. That's when Matthew 24:14 is going to be fulfilled.


In the next part of our interview with August Rosado, we'll ask him why he believes that Israel is the cornerstone sign of end time Bible prophecy.

Tuesday, June 21, 2011

Rosado Interview: Other Major End Times Signs

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What are some other major end time signs that point to the soon return of Jesus?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of August Rosado on the show Christ in Prophecy. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. Having a passion for all things Jewish, he can be found traveling the country waking the Church up concerning the soon return of Jesus Christ.


August Rosado

End Times Sign: Disintegration of Society

Dr. Reagan: In 2 Timothy it refers to another sign of the end times and that is the disintegration of society. It is just going to disintegrate before our very eyes. Jesus said that we are going to go full circle and society will become as evil as it was in the days of Noah.

August Rosado: Absolutely! Jesus says in Matthew 24:12, "And because iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold." Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:13, "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived." That is exactly what we see as one of the signs of the end times.

Dr. Reagan: If you go over to Genesis 6 and look at the society that existed in the time of Noah, there are two characteristics: immorality and violence. We look around us today and what do we see? We see growing immorality and growing violence in the United States and all over the world.

August Rosado: Just as Noah preached to the people that judgment was coming and to repent and be prepared, they rejected Noah's message just as today they reject the message of Bible prophecy and the soon return of Jesus.


End Times Sign: Understanding Bible Prophecy

Dr. Reagan: Would you say that just the understanding of Bible prophecy as it's never been understood before would be a sign of the end times?

August Rosado: I do believe it is a sign to some of the end times, conversely for many there is a lack of biblical understanding because there is mostly no teaching of Bible prophecy in our churches today.

Dr. Reagan: This reminds me of Daniel. God gave him all these prophecies about the end times and Daniel said he didn't understand what they meant. What did God tell him? When the time comes they will be understood.

August Rosado: And we are understanding those very prophecies today.

Dr. Reagan: Yes, we are understanding more through historical developments like the re-establishment of Israel.


End Times Sign: Technology

Dr. Reagan: Modern technology is a sign of the end times. The Two Witnesses are going to be killed in Jerusalem and the whole world is going to look upon their bodies. Before the 1960's nobody understood that, but we can understand how that's possible today.

August Rosado: It's possible through satellites. Scoffers scoffing back in the day would claim, "How can all the world see these two witnesses die in the streets of Jerusalem? That is an impossibility." Now it is not an impossibility. It's going to happen in the not too distant future due to satellites and every other communications technology that we have. We could easily see these Two Witnesses dead in the streets of the city of Jerusalem.

Nathan Jones: Who can even keep up with technology? Just a decade ago technology revolutionized every three years, but now it's every year and a half and increasing its pace.


In the next part of our interview with August Rosado, we'll ask him to point out a positive sign of the end times that points to the Lord's soon return.

Monday, June 20, 2011

Rosado Interview: Major End Times Signs

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What are some of the major end time signs that point to the soon return of Jesus?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking this question of August Rosado on the show Christ in Prophecy. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. Having a passion for all things Jewish, he can be found traveling the country waking the Church up concerning the soon return of Jesus Christ.


August Rosado


End Times Sign: Creation of the European Union

Nathan Jones: Israel is THE sign of the end times pointing to the Lord's soon return. August, could you cover some of the other signs we are witnessing even in the news today that also point to the Lord's soon return?

August Rosado: I would have to look at the European Union. The European Union I believe is the infrastructure or foundation for a future revived Roman Empire. The European Union will produce the Antichrist — the Beast — mentioned in Revelation 13. When you look at the European Union today, there are 27 member states with a citizenship of over 500 million people. They are looking to have their own police force. I can look at the headquarters of the European Union today and see it is designed to look like the incomplete tower of Babel. We are going back to Genesis 11 with this imagery. They are today using a symbol of rebellion against God to represent something that is going to be global in the future according to the Bible.

Dr. Reagan: They claim they are going to be able to do what they failed to do at the Tower of Babel. They are going to unite all of humanity in rebellion against God.

August Rosado: That is exactly right. They want to unite everyone and that is what they are saying on their website.

Nathan Jones: How do you know that the Antichrist is coming out of the European Union?

August Rosado: When you look in Daniel 9:26, it talks about the prince of the people that shall come and shall destroy the city of the sanctuary. We know that was General Titus the son of Vespasian who came into Jerusalem in 70 AD and wiped out Herod's Temple and scattered the Jews to the four corners of the earth. Daniel 9:27 says, "And he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week." Since Daniel tells us 69 weeks have already been fulfilled for over 483 prophetical years or 173,880 days, then we know that the Antichrist must come from those people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary.

I reject this goobly-goop view that's arisen today of a Muslim Antichrist. I am not convinced of that in any way, shape, or form. He must be of European descent, particularly Roman descent. He must come out of the people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary. That is the Antichrist of Revelation 13:1.

Dr. Reagan: It is really amazing to think about what is happening in Europe because people have tried to reconstruct the Old Roman Empire many times throughout history. The idea of European unification has never died. They always tried to do it with military force. Napoleon tried to do it, and many others like Charlemagne. But, it had to be God's timing, and when it became God's timing it just all came together peacefully without military force after WWII. Suddenly, we have it today.

August Rosado: Exactly, Paul-Henri Spaak who was the former Belgian Prime Minister and President of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe nearly 50 years ago said this, "We are not looking for another committee. We have too many already. What we need is a man of sufficient stature, one who can hold the allegiance of the people and bring us up out of this economic mess that we are sinking into. Send us such a man, and be he God or the Devil, we will accept him." I think the latter half of his statement will be the case, and he is on his way as foretold in Revelation 13:1.


End Times Sign: Apostasy in the Church

Dr. Reagan: What would be another sign that you would see today that points to the soon return of Jesus?

August Rosado: I would have to say apostasy in the church. There is so much heresy in the church today that it's not even funny. I am reminded of what Paul said in 1 Timothy 4:1, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times (the last days) some (thank God not all, but some) shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons, and doctrines of devils." That's exactly what we see going on today.

Dr. Reagan: We've got major Christian leaders all over the place today. These so called "Christian" leaders are very influential, but they are denying all the fundamentals of the faith like the Resurrection, the Virgin Birth, and the Second Coming of Jesus.

August Rosado: That is exactly right. As a matter of fact, Paul again picks up on that in 2 Timothy 3:1-5, and I love what he says, "This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come." If we are not living in the last days, then I don't know what. He says, "Perilous times shall come, for men shall be lovers of their own selves; covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." That is exactly what we see with many of these so called "Christian" leaders today — denying the power thereof.

Dr. Reagan: In fact, Peter says in his epistles that one of the signs of the end times will be people scoffing at the very idea of the return of Jesus. Here we are.

August Rosado: That's 2 Peter 3:3-4. He says, "This know also, in the last times there will come mockers walking after their own lusts and saying, 'Where is the promise of His Coming?'"

Dr. Reagan: I once thought that referred to atheists, but now as I look around today I see Christian leaders scoffing at the idea of the return of Jesus. They claim He isn't going to be here for another 1,000 or 2,000 years and that the Church is going to conquer the earth. We are going to rule the earth and then we'll turn it over to Jesus. Such an unbiblical belief, well it's just unbelievable!

August Rosado: Pan-millennialism — it's all going to pan out in the end, according to these guys. They just don't understand what the Bible says, because Paul says, "They have a form of godliness but they deny the power there of such, turn away from such." I could mention names right now, though I won't, but we know many people who come to mind that are denying the fundamental truths of the Christian faith.


In the next part of our interview with August Rosado, we'll ask him to point out some more major signs of the end times that point to the Lord's soon return.

Friday, June 17, 2011

Rosado Interview: The Jews in Prophecy

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What is a major promise God has for the Jewish people in His prophetic plan? And, just who killed Jesus?

Dr. David Reagan and I recently had the pleasure of asking these questions of August Rosado on the show Christ in Prophecy. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. Having a passion for all things Jewish, he can be found traveling the country waking the Church up concerning the soon return of Jesus Christ.


August Rosado

August Rosado: We read from Genesis all the way to the book of Revelation that God has promises for the Jewish people. As a matter of fact, in Ezekiel 34 God says 18 times, "I will... I will... I will... I will... I will bring the Jewish people back from the four corners of the earth. I will bring them back into their own homeland. I will establish my covenant with them." Eighteen times God says, "I will."

God's promises He has for the Jewish people are not null and void. The Church has never, ever replaced the Jewish people.

Nathan Jones: What about those people who argue then that the Jews coming back from the exile in Babylon already fulfilled those prophecies?

August Rosado: It does fulfill the prophecies in part because God promised them that they would be back to Jerusalem after the 70 years of Babylonian captivity. Cyrus defeated the Babylonian army and then he allowed the Jews to go back to Israel where they rebuild the Second Temple.

But, when I read Deuteronomy 28, God said that the Jews would be dispersed to the four corners of the earth. Well, that wasn't fulfilled until later in AD 70 when the Roman General Titus came and destroyed the city of Jerusalem. After the return from the Babylonian exile, the Jews were then later scattered to the four corners of the earth.

Jesus said that since Israel had rejected the time of His first visitation they would then be scattered, yet because of the promises He made to Abraham and to David, they would one day be brought back into their land. When was the fulfilled? May 14, 1948. We are here to see it! That is a fulfillment of Ezekiel 36:24, "For I will take you from among the heathen," the goyim in the Hebrew, and "gather you out of all countries, will bring you back into your old homeland." Again, that was fulfilled on May the 14th of 1948. That is not a coincidence, that is a God-incident.


Who Killed Jesus

Dr. Reagan: A false teaching that the Church has been teaching for 2,000 years which has been the source of much anti-Semitism is that the Jews were the Christ killers and that God washed His hands of them. Well, that's just not what is taught in the Bible. For example, in Acts 4:27 it says, "That this city was gathered together against the holy servant Jesus and those who God did anoint, both Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Gentiles and the people of Israel." So, who murdered Jesus? Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Gentiles, the peoples of Israel, and you and me.

One of the things that always impressed me about the great medieval painters was when they would paint pictures of the Crucifixion and they would always place themselves at the foot of the cross and paint themselves in there as one of those who were nailing Jesus to the cross. Because, He died for the sins of all of us.

Nathan Jones: That reminds me of why in the movie The Passion Mel Gibson put himself in as the one nailing Jesus to the cross.

Pope Benedict then didn't recently have to exonerate the Jews of Jesus' death? God didn't wash the Jews out of His hands, right? There was no need for the Pope as he did recently to forgive them?

August Rosado: No, no need for that at all. All of us were responsible for the death of the Lord Jesus. So, to just blame it on the Jewish people boils down to anti-Semitism. We were all responsible for the death of our Lord.


In the next part of our interview with August Rosado, we'll ask him to point out some major signs of the end times that point to the Lord's soon return.