Friday, October 12, 2012

Christian Approach to the 2012 Election: The Mormon Factor

Nathan JonesMP3 PDFBy

How can a Christian vote in a Mormon?

On Thursday, September 27, 2012, I was interviewed by host Brian Thomas of Blessings to Israel Ministries on his "God First" program. During the 45-minute interview we discussed how Christians should approach the 2012 election.

Brian Thomas

Brian Thomas: We are going to look at our two Presidential candidates — President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney. President Obama says he's a Christian. Mitt Romney says he's a Mormon. What do you say to all of the Christians out there who say they will not vote for a Mormon? Since they say they cannot bring themselves to vote for a Mormon, what advice can you give them?

Nathan Jones: There is a YouTube video I would recommend everybody go and check out. The video was made by Chuck Norris whom you know as the famous martial arts and TV personality. He's a conservative and very involved in politics now. He's made a great video about why we should vote and he uses some telling statistics. He says that in the last election Barack Obama won by 10 million votes, but that 30 million Christians did not come out to vote. Thirty million Christians gave up their constitutional right to vote, a right that people suffered and died for, because they didn't like John McCain. Chuck Norris' point was that there are issues that affect our Christian beliefs that we need to come out and support regardless if we personally like the candidate or not. He says we as Christians need to get out and vote our morals.

It is true, there are a lot of Christians out there who are really struggling with how to vote by faith. They see Barack Obama who many believe is a Muslim. I personally believe he is Humanist as he shows every sign of believing that humanity is the end all determinant. That view comes from his socialistic background.

On the other hand, there is Mitt Romney who clearly is a Mormon and is actively involved in his faith. Christians are wondering if Mormonism is also Christianity. The Mormons have been pushing real hard lately in their claims that they are Christians, even though historically they have never associated themselves with Christianity because they believe they are the true Church and every other is apostate.

As you know, Brian, any group that denies the deity of Jesus, the Trinity, and that salvation comes solely through Jesus is a cult. Those anti-biblical teachings are in part what the Mormons believe, so therefore the Mormons are a cult. This cult was founded by Joseph Smith who elaborated on the Bible in his teachings, combined into the Book of Mormon. He claimed an angel named Moroni gave him new interpretations of the Bible. Smith just didn't heed God's warning in Revelation 22:18-19 which says not add anything to the Word of God. True, there are many Mormons out there whom I've run into who are very devoted to seeking God, but Joseph Smith's teachings were not from God. After all, he lived a very immoral lifestyle. He had many wives. What he taught came down to that old lie from the Garden of Eden where Satan said that we can be like God. That's what the Mormons believe — that we can be like God, and actually that we become gods. Mormons believe we do good works to get to Heaven. Again, that isn't Christian. Mormon teachings are totally antithetical to Christianity.

Yes, Mitt Romney is part of a cult. Barack Obama is barely Christian if you want to gauge by works and background. Voting is then a difficult choice. I can totally understand why so many people would just give up and rather not vote at all.

But, we've got to remember that the office of the President is a political office. It is totally a political, secular office. Americans are not voting in say a head of a church, or the Pope. The presidency is not a religious position. So, who is better? It would be excellent to have a God-fearing President who has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but we can't expect that we are going to get that type of candidate in every election. So, as Christians, while we are living on this planet, we need to be restrainers of evil in all levels of society.

Sure, the world we know from Bible prophecy is eventually going to perish. It is going to go away. Jesus will come back. He will be the King and then we will have the right government again — a perfect government of peace, righteousness and justice. In the meantime, we need to work towards being salt and light in the world. If that means voting in a lesser of two evils then that's what we've got to do, because we are restrainers of the evil in this world. The Lord works as a restraining influence through His Church and we need to work at helping to restrain evil. So, for me, I have no problem in voting for a candidate even if they're not a Christian, knowing that they will have an opportunity to stem the tide of evil more so than another candidate or another party.

In the next part of Brian and my interview concerning the Christian's approach to the 2012 election, we'll see if poor leaders can be in fact a judgment from God.


Anonymous said...

2nd john 9-11 says not to even greet someone who does not abide in the doctrine of Jesus Christ. So for me, that also means not to vote for him for president. I'll vote for neither and let God do His will. You even say it's a cult. You're right.

Billy said...

2nd John for all so you can read the context of Anon's post (draw your own conclusions):

"The elder,

To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

I have much to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.

The children of your sister, who is chosen by God, send their greetings."

Susie said...

Imo... God uses us.. HIS BODY ... to carry out.. at least some measure of his will on this earth. For us to say... im gonna stand by and do nothing .. and let Gods will be done... is just wrong.
Earthly governments are a fact of life. It wont be truly Godly until Yeshua himself reigns from Jerusalem... (soon we pray)... but in the mean time... we must be a voice for the best possible leadership for our country.
Remember.!! Until our Lord comes... NO governing body will be completely good!

Anonymous said...

Warning about false teacher Lee Thomas who claims people CANNOT be saved unless someone prays for them (works).

Amongst other errors, Lee Thomas states that the devil is BEING defeated. This is false, the devil WAS defeated at the cross, past tense, not present or future.
Hebrews2:14,15 teaches us that Jesus DEFEATED and overcame the devil by giving himself as the atoning sacrifice for our sins. When Jesus said ‘it is finished’, He destroyed the power of the devil. We are to resist the devil by REPENTANCE and FAITH in God’s Word thus denying SELF not by the methods taught by Thomas.

Lee Thomas claims that the Church has to fast and pray to break Satan’s power over the mind. There is no reference given to this in the Bible meaning it is extra-biblical, the philosophy of men not God.

God will not override a man’s will; salvation comes by God’s GRACE through FAITH and NOT by any WORKS (Ephesians 2:8,9) such as the fasting and praying taught by Thomas. There is no record in Scripture of the Apostles practising this method. The power of God unto salvation is in the power of the Gospel which is payment for sin by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1Cor1:18)

Lee Thomas’ personal interpretation of the parable in Mark3:27 is not biblical, he falsifies the interpretation by alleging it as support for his claim that intercession is breaking the demonic power that controls the mind.
Mark3:27 “No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house”.

Context is that Jesus was accused by the Jerusalem Scribes of doing His miracles with the power of Satan, not by God’s Holy Spirit. This is the ‘unforgivable sin, the blasphemy against to Holy Spirit.

"How can Satan cast out Satan? Jesus shows that if He is an agent of Satan, and works against Satan, then surely Satan’s kingdom is in civil war and will not stand - Satan won’t work against himself.

No one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods: With this, Jesus answers the charge that He is in league with the Devil. He says, “I’m not under Satan. Instead, I’m proving that I am stronger than he is.”

Unless he first binds the strong man: In this parable Satan is the strong man, who guards what belongs to him. Jesus’ ministry, both in the case of casting the demon out of the man who was mute, and in the broader sense, is defeating this strong man.

Then he will plunder his house: Jesus looks at every life delivered from Satan’s domination and says, “I’m plundering the kingdom of Satan one life at a time.” There is nothing in our life that must stay under Satan’s domination. The one who binds the strong man and will plunder his house is our risen Lord".

Believers are actively responsible to deny our own will, recognise and repent of sin (1John1:9) then apply God’s will to our life. We do this by knowing and confessing God’s teachings (doctrine). HIS will be done, not ours. This is the trial of our faith that brings us into maturity.
By his false interpretation of the Bible, Lee Thomas is preventing God’s Truth from strengthening the Church in their faith and trust in God's Word. Lee Thomas is a false teacher deceiving the Church.

"See that no man deceives you..."Matt24:4

DrNofog said...

Wow, this page got off to a hot start while I wuz doing the senior nap thingy.
Let me repost from the last page if Nathan doesn't mind too much...

The Constitutional Republic of America is a unique critter in all of history, kinda like the best of the Roman Republic and "Free to live before God" Israel before they rejected God and demanded to have a king over them like the pagan nations around them.

In America, "We the People" are Caesar!
We are the 1st level of Sovereignty, and under the mandates of Romans 13 it is our Public Serpents who are in rebellion to our God-given authority, attempting to usurp our position as rightful masters of our own lives and, in tossing the Constitutional contract [that creates their very positions] aside, they pretend to be wise, all-knowing masters over us.

[A Constitution is a contract, but unlike a regular contract between two real, existing parties, a Constitution "creates" a heretofore non-existent 'party' (gubmint reps) for the real, existing party to contract with. Terms & Conditions of the Creator-Citizens are binding upon the created gubmimt entity, agents, & so-called 'representatives' thereof... ]

Paul faithfully exercised his dual Citizenship; 1st as an Ambassador of God's Kingdom, and 2ndly, his Roman Citizenship when it was needful.

As faithful Citizens of our God-given, but fast-fading "free" country, it is our duty before God to obey the **just laws** of this "representative" form of Government that we have, as noted by law:

"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error."
American Communications Assn. v. Douds, 339 U.S. 382 - U.S. Supreme Court

A non-vote is a vote for the worst of 2 evils!

Like Clint Eastwood said: It's time to fire them!

Hope this helps.

Anonymous said...

"Public Serpents" chortle snigger hehehehe :D

Jan said...

God's word also says 1 Timothy 2:1 - I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2: For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
4: Who will have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.

I plan on voting this year as well.

Billy said...

What would be the greatest all time "October Surprise" in the history of presidential elections?

What if the Rapture occurs this month?!!! How awesome would that be?

Anonymous said...

I am sure that anom doesn't have children.. because anyone with children know that schools, colleges etc are now trying to teach their children.. that Obama's religion is right.. and anyone who keeps up with the news.. knows Obama is an Islamic American hating, along with Jewish hater.I fear for our grandchildren who have not been born yet.. that is if the gov by that time allows them to have more than one... I would vote a thousands times for Romeny if I could..

Anonymous said...

oh Billy, if Obama realizes he might lose, I predict we will have MARTIAL LAW

Billy said...


Since I can't be sure of the seriousness of your post, I'll just say I doubt it (if serious) and it says a lot about Obama (if not so serious) that one would think that.

There is a scenario where Obama and Romney could tie electoral votes at 269 each in which case the House of Reps would decide the election. Now, in THIS scenario, I actually COULD see Obama taking extraordinary steps in a power grab.

Billy said...

Actually, a 269 electoral tie could be quite a divine judgement.

The nation would be torn apart and likely violence would erupt amoungst partisans (especially the leftists and anarchists).

I don't know if this polarized nation could survive the aftermath.

Billy said...

Yesterday I speculated that an electoral tie could result in violence.

Well, a day later, I'm hearing news reports of threatened violence and riots if Obama loses the election.

Guess it didn't take a genius to assume the far leftist "hate our enemies" crowd (and oh sooooo tolerant) has the potential for violence.

Anonymous said...

Billy, if you are talking to me..I wrote the anom on 10/15/12 at 11:16 to anon... I am serious and not senile.. I read this on rapture ready about a letter from an 82 year old lady, that had her nation, which is Austria taken over by Hitler.. It makes a chill go down your back to see how we are traveling the same path with a little help from Obama and his clan.. this is what I read..

Anonymous said...

I hope I am being paranoid, but like I have said before, A friend, who is a democrat yelled out at work that Obama was running for Pres,,, and a CHILL AND A SCAREY FEELING went through me.. I did not have any idea who or what he was.. I then started for the first time in my life keeping up with politics..I usually just voted for the ones I felt honoring the Bible... used to vote for Dems. but after the murdering of unborn children started to be one of their platforms... I wouldn't vote for then ever again..

Billy said...


Without having read the article yet, I'd say that I don't think you're paranoid. Look at some of the things we've seen after Obama got elected that would make a person who witnessed the Nazis first hand cringe:

Little children singing songs of praise to Obama. (could remind that person of the Hitler youth)

The "O" symbol, which some have put in place of stars on the American flag (could remind that person of the swaskita)

The spin of the president's press secretary and the liberally biased media (could remind that person of Joseph Goebbles)

The demonization of those that disagree with the president (could remind that person of the Brown Shirts bullying tactics and the demonization of Jews)

Obama skirting Congress via executive order and running the gov't with his unapproved czars (could remind that person of the dictatorial nature and power of Hitler)

These are just a few example of how one coming from a totalitarian society could have flashbacks to their past horrors.

Is fear of Obama becoming a dictator a possibilty or an irrational fear. For the person from a totalitarian state you could not blame such concern. And seeing how things are headed and know what we as Christians know about the future to come, you couldn't blame us either.