Friday, May 31, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: Heretical Doctrines

Nathan JonesMP3By

What major heretical doctrines are we seeing today?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

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Heretical Doctrines

August Rosado: What major heretical doctrines are we seeing today? Name a few.

Nathan Jones: There are three of them particularly I want to address. Certainly, there are many more, but I'll cover just three.

Universalism
The biggest heretical doctrine is Universalism. This false idea teaches that all roads lead to God. We can believe in anything we want to, for God is so loving and He is so gracious the He's going to let everybody into Heaven. August, I have lost some really good, life-long friends to that false doctrine. Guys who grew up Christian, who either because they were in the military and saw horrible things or because they spent a lot of time stationed among other religious majorities and then came back doubting their own faith, they turned into Universalists. They now believe that all roads lead to God. You don't have to worry about sin, as there's no inherent evil. God is so good He's simply going to ignore everyone's sin and just let everybody into Heaven, whether they hate God or not. That's such a lie from Satan.

Prosperity Gospel
The second heretical doctrine, and it's especially seen in third world countries like when I went down to Nicaragua and other places where people are living in financial poverty, is the Prosperity Gospel. This false idea teaches that God is a big Santa Claus who exists to give us lots of money and food and whatever else we want. We just have to "name it and claim it." But, that isn't what the Bible teaches at all. The Bible is not about us getting rich, certainly spiritually rich by knowing Christ, but not the Bible teaches does God exist solely for our material benefit.

Dual Covenant Theology
The third heretical doctrine, and it's a sad one that is growing within the Church today, is Dual Covenant Theology. This false idea teaches that Christians can believe in Christ and be saved, and Jews as long as they follow the Mosaic Law they too can be saved. It's as if the Jewish people live under a special dispensation continuing to be under the requirements of the Old Testament and that it continues to save them today. But, that's not the truth at all. The name of Jesus is the only name by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12).

Those are the three main heretical doctrines that have really infiltrated the Church and society today. Of course, there are so many others. Like I said earlier in this interview, the number one prophecy that Jesus gave in the New Testament is that in the end times there would be a proliferation of false prophets, false messiahs, and false teachers. We live in an age where there are so many false teachers, and it's so easy with communications today for them to get their views across and confuse a lot of people.

Hyper-Calvinism
August Rosado: I can add a fourth one in there. It's a major problem in the Church today that pretty much defeats the purpose of global evangelism. It defeats the purpose of witnessing to people and sharing the Gospel. I would say another serious, serious doctrinal issue in the Church today that is heretical to the core is Calvinism. There are many out there today who unknowingly follow Calvinistic teachings. The cults are not teaching this, no, this is coming from people who say that they are Christians. They are teaching that God has predestined some to Heaven and predestined the rest to Hell. They teach in limited atonement, that Jesus only died for the elect, and that He didn't die for everybody. Therefore, there is no reason for you and I to support missions and world evangelism. We shouldn't then pass on a Gospel tract or witness to someone, because God has already predestined who are going to Heaven and Hell. There's no reason according to them for you and I to be evangelizing the world. Don't you find that to be absolute heresy?

Nathan Jones: Actually, I grew up a Calvinist. I'm not a five pointer, if you follow the whole TULIP thing, which is the five points of Calvinism. I didn't even really study Calvinism's opposite — Arminianism — until I went to Bible school and then worked with Dr. David Reagan, who tends to be somewhere between Calvinism and Arminianism. Both Calvin and Arminius were looking for ways to understand God, but they each only got a partial view.

August, I think what you're saying when referring to people who do not believe missions are relevant for today, that they are in truth Hyper-Calvinists. I do know Hyper-Calvinists who believe, "What's the point of ministry? What's the point of missions? God saved who He did, and the rest are made for Hell." Clearly that's a confused teaching of what the Bible means concerning election.

Then there are Hyper-Arminianists who believe in free-will only and that God has no say in anything related to salvation. What then of the Holy Spirit's work in salvation?

August, there has to be a balance in our understanding of election and predestination. As men, we do not have the capability of fully understanding God's Word in this area, because God is so much bigger and He has so many plans that we're not fully privy to. Both Calvin and Arminius were genuinely and sincerely trying to understand how election and predestination works, and still they both ended up with different views. Are we any smarter or given more insight than they?

Not to speak for Dr. Reagan, but from his writings and what I've read and listening to him preach, I agree with him that we have to strike a balance in there somewhere concerning election. Yes, the Church needs to be out there witnessing. The Great Commission in Acts 1:8 clearly tells us to bear Christ's witness. That is the Christian's marching orders. If there were people out there who can't be saved, then what's the point of us going, because God has already saved or not saved them.

So, yes, Hyper-Calvinism definitely is a false teaching and a problem. I think we have seen in the past the Church kind of atrophy based on that misunderstanding of the doctrine of soteriology (salvation), as so many adherents don't want to get out and witness anymore.

August Rosado: Right. One Hyper-Calvinist guy told me one time in Arizona at a Mexican restaurant we went to, "Hey, Brother Rosado, do you believe in all five points?" I answered, "I most certainly do." Then this big smile came over his face and he said, "You believe in all five points?" I said, "Yes, Sir — B-I-B-L-E." Man, you should have seen the demeanor on his face! It turned from a smile to looking like he wanted to put his hands around my throat. He was just unbelievable!

So, I would definitely add that one into the three that you covered. Calvinism I believe is a major problem in the Church. It splits churches and families. I've seen it up close and personal. Yes, it defeats the purpose of world evangelism and so therefore is indeed a false doctrine.


In the tenth and last segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will lament the ongoing persecution of Christians today and see if greater persecution lies ahead and if it's been prophesied about in the Bible.

Thursday, May 30, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: Apostasy in the Church

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Has there been an increase in apostasy in the Church?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

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Apostasy in the Church

August Rosado: Nathan, the next question I have for you might seem a little bit like a loaded question, but do you see an alarming increase of apostasy in the Church?

Nathan Jones: That is a sad question, August. Unfortunately, yes, there is obviously an alarming increase of apostasy in the Church. When you look at the Seven Churches of Revelation, the last church addressed by Jesus in the First Century time period during the Apostle John's time is the Church of Laodicea. It also represents a section of time in Church history. Laodicea is the final phase, the last time. The time period before Jesus comes in the Rapture is marked as the Church of Laodicea.

The Laodicean Church was defined by its apathy for God's Word. It was just uninterested in the Bible. It fulfills prophecies such as in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that there will be apostasy that comes first before the Lord's return. Matthew 24 declares in the last days many will fall away. We're also told there that most people's love will grow cold.

Second Timothy 4:3-4 says, "A time will come when they (Christians) will not endure sound doctrine, but wanting to have their ears tickled they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires and turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths." And, 2 Timothy 3:5 continues, "...holding a form of godliness although they deny its power."

Sadly, the Church today, and I'll target mostly churches in the West, has a form of godliness. Here in the West many say we are Christian, but that really means we are cultural Christians. We believe in God, but we deny the power of God. We have taken God out, we have shrunk Him down, we have put Him in a box, and we've made the Gospel all about ourselves.

Christians today turn to religious leaders like Rob Bell, who are clearly blind shepherds still trying to feel around and decide where God is leading, and they have a massive amount of people behind them. Guys like Bell are leading all these people in the wrong direction, away from the Bible and God's Word.

We also bear witness to the Church's falling numbers. People are leaving church by the masses. Nearly 75% of kids raised in church who enter their college years drop out because they really were never taught the Gospel to begin with. They were never really saved to begin with, being merely cultural Christians.

We are seeing a terrible decline of the Church in the West. It is all but dead in Great Britain, which used to during the 1800's be the power house of missionary sending.

Still, there is hope for the Church today. We read about all the evangelistic events that are happening in Africa and China, where the Church is growing and flourishing under persecution.

So, yes, to answer your question, there's an alarming increase of apostasy in the Church.


In the ninth segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will look at a number of doctrinal heresies that have infiltrated the Church in these last days as prophesied in the Bible.

Tuesday, May 28, 2013

A Papal Faux Pas

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On May 22, 2013, Pope Francis shocked the world when he delivered an off-the-cuff homily in which he declared that Atheists could be saved by doing good works because Jesus died for everyone (see article).

The amazing assertion was, of course, thoroughly unbiblical. It violated two very fundamental biblical principles.

Pope Francis I

The first is the Bible's clear statement that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-10). The second is that salvation is dependent on faith in Jesus as one's Lord and Savior. Jesus Himself said, "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" (John 17:3).

So, it is impossible to be saved by good works, and it is equally impossible to be saved apart from faith in Jesus. In fact, Jesus declared, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" (John 14:6).

It is true that Jesus died for all people (1 John 2:2), but it is also true that his atoning sacrifice must be appropriated individually by placing one's faith in Him as Lord and Savior (John 3:16).

Forty-eight hours after Pope Francis made his shocking observation, the Vatican attempted to clarify his remarks. They did so through an official spokesman, a priest by the name of Thomas Rosica. He said that people who are aware of the Catholic Church "cannot be save" if they "refuse to enter her or remain in her." So, the Pope's unbiblical assertion was "corrected" by another one that is equally unbiblical, for no one is saved by church membership. Salvation is not vested in an organization like the Roman Catholic Church. It is to be found, instead, in a person — the Messiah whom God sent to die for our sins, namely, Jesus of Nazareth.

An Irish Catholic commentator, Cahir O'Doherty, wrote, "It makes for an interesting spectacle to see the infallible pope being corrected by his handlers, doesn't it?" He then added, "If I was Pope Francis, I'd be employing a food taster right about now!"

If Atheists can be saved by doing good works, what is the purpose of the Church? And why did Jesus bother to come to this earth and experience the horror of the Cross?

It is rather painfully obvious that Pope Francis needs to start reading his Bible on a regular basis.


Notes

1) Cahir O'Doherty, "Vatican corrects infallible pope: Atheists will still burn in hell," www.IrishCentral.com.

Current Prophetic Events: Muslim Antichrist

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Is the Antichrist destined to rise out of Islam?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

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Muslim Antichrist

August Rosado: Many try to paint the Antichrist as a Muslim using verses that really have no eschatological application whatsoever. What evidence do we have that the Beast from the Sea of Revelation 13 will be of Roman origin?

Nathan Jones: We can go to Daniel's prophecy in Daniel 9:26-27 where it talks about the end times when the people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. This prophecy reads:

"After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed. 27He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."

So, Daniel 9 tells us about the people of the coming one-world ruler, the Antichrist as the New Testament names him, who will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The city of course is Jerusalem, and the sanctuary is the Temple. That prophecy against the city was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Roman general Titus Vespasian came against and decimated Jerusalem.

We also read here that the Antichrist will come into the Temple and he will desecrate it. We know from history that Titus Vespasian did not come in and desolate the Temple. No, he utterly destroyed the Temple. The destruction was so thorough that the soldiers picked the stones apart looking for any gold that might have melted in between the cracks. As Jesus foretold in Luke 21, there would not be one stone left upon another. So, Titus and his Roman people did not fulfill that prophecy about the desecration of the Temple. Therefore, the desecration of the Temple will find a future fulfillment in the Antichrist, which also means for him to desecrate a Temple there has to actually be a Temple. Devout Jews are still waiting for the Third Temple to be built.

One of the frequent arguments people who support a Muslim Antichrist will use is that when the Romans came and attacked the Temple in 70 AD, true there were some Roman leaders and Caesar ordered the campaign, but the Romans brought mercenaries with them. They'll argue that all these mercenaries were Arabs, who of course 500 years later as a race would eventually become Islamic. Therefore, the people who destroyed the Temple where really in affect Muslim.

I believe the best response to this claim that the people who destroyed the Temple were future Muslims is in the research that Sean Osborn of Eschatology Today. Sean studied the history and found out exactly what peoples comprised Titus Vespasian's army. He wrote:

"The Roman army that destroyed the Temple is 70 AD were those of the Legio X Fretensis, Legio V Macedonica and Legio XV Apollinaris, under the command of Roman General Titus Vespasianus. The soldiers of Legio X were Italians from the region of the Straits of Messina; Legio XV from the mixed Illyrian-Celtic people of the region of Pannonia along the Danube River, and Legio V were of the Thraco-Illyrian people in the region of the lower Danube formerly known as Moesia. In sum, the 'people of the prince' were Europeans and Roman citizens."

Yes, Titus also brought in mercenaries from the Middle East, but the majority of the people that attacked Israel were of pure Roman blood. They were Roman citizens. Titus was a Roman. Caesar was a Roman. It's clear then that the people who destroyed the Temple in fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 9:26 were Roman people, and so therefore it's crystal clear that the Antichrist will rise out of the Roman people's descendants. Those descendants of the Romans today comprise the revival of the Roman Empire in the European Union.

The European Union is a modern-day miracle of politics. Just look in the 1940's for instance, what happened in Europe? World War II. Now more than 50 years later, Europe is basically one country, one continent. They are continually growing closer and becoming less national and more as one European Union rather than individual countries. Second to Israel as a miracle of becoming a nation again, that is the miracle of getting all those European entities to put aside their hatred of each other and join together. Clearly something is happening in the European Union, and that is in fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

The wars that decimate Islam and the Antichrist rising out of the EU make it a fact then that Islam will not be part of the end times. Bible prophecy seems to be against Islam as a player during the Tribulation, well, at the most not past being destroyed by the Antichrist in the first Conventional War.

August Rosado: Yes, I absolutely agree with all of that research. Those who to try to find some sort of passage that will support an Islamic origin of the Antichrist, they pull a verse here and they pull a verse there and then they roll it up into one ball and proclaim, "Islam is what it means." They try to pull a fast one. Even if it were true with these mercenaries, it doesn't matter if they were from Egypt or Lebanon or Syria. It doesn't matter if they helped the Roman army, as you said, led by Roman General Titus the son of Vespasian. The Roman Empire in 70 AD destroyed the city and the sanctuary.

My tour group and I were just in March at the southeastern corner of the Temple Mount. We were looking at the remains of the Roman destruction. We went into the Davidson Center were all the archaeological artifacts are on display. We saw a 2,000 year old brick, and right on it in Latin was inscribed in Latin I'll translate the "Tenth Roman Legion." What other evidence do we need that the people who destroyed the Temple were European Romans, and therefore the Antichrist will rise out of Europe? Either you are going to ignore the evidence and stick with the plain-sense literal teaching of the Bible, or you can just go off on your wild fantasies and change the origin to the Middle East.

Nathan Jones: Yes, it's trying to pigeon-hole Bible prophecy into modern-day events. But, that's not the case as we cannot do that. The Tribulation is a picture of a vastly different world than how the nations and peoples are aligned today. People ask, "Does that mean we then have to wait like a few hundred years before the Tribulation begins?" I could say "perhaps," but really, all it takes is one economic collapse or one outbreak of disease or something climactic to radically change political and economic systems across the globe. The world is going to see a total upheaval of what exists today. So, trying to take modern-day events and then plugging them into Bible prophecy is newspaper exegesis, and we really should never be practicing that flawed interpretation.


In the eighth segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will look at modern-day teachers like Rob Bell and see if a proliferation of false teachers are prophesied in the Bible.

Monday, May 27, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: Islamic Wars

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Is Islam prophesied to take over the entire world?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

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The Two Legs

August Rosado: We have in a question coming from Joe in Oklahoma. I actually know Joe. He's a good friend of mine and listens to the my broadcasts a lot. He asks, "Nathan, do you feel the two legs from the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream are Europe and the other Islam in some form?"

Nathan Jones: Good question, Joe. Islam's future is a huge question in Bible prophecy right now. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. The Catholic Church in Europe a few years ago stated that the adherents to Islam have now surpassed the membership of the Catholic Church. We with some trepidation see that Islam is taking over countries by jihad, but not as well as Islamic immigration is doing. For instance, France is expected to become an Islamic country just due to Islamic immigration by 2050. Clearly Islam is a player right now in the world, and people want to know how Islam fits into Bible prophecy.

Do I believe that the two legs of the statue from Daniel 2 represent modern day Europe and modern day Islam? Probably not. Clearly the advent of the two legs was fulfilled when the Roman Empire split. The Roman Empire then had an eastern and a western leg. Historically, the eastern leg lived a lot longer through Constantinople, that is until the Turkish armies of Islam in the 1400s came marching through and destroyed the Byzantine Empire.

The two legs of the Roman Empire have continued going down to today. Then there are of course the ten toes which are the Ten Kings of the Tribulation. They have yet to come. They are future.

So, where does Islam fit into the world of the two legs? I believe the answer to that is three-fold. There are certain prophetic wars that are coming which I believe will destroy Islam as a world religion just as the Tribulation begins.

Psalm 83 War
The first prophetic war which will become a factor is Islam's downfall is the Psalm 83 War, when Israel finally has to subdue the nations that surround them. We are talking about the immediate border nations such as Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Gaza, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. All those nations present a direct threat to Israel, because Islam believes that any nation conquered for Allah must stay with Allah, and since they lost Israel to the Jews, it's a Muslim's sworn duty to get Israel back as a nation under Islam again. So, not matter what kind of peace plan or anything that we have today, true peace will never happen because according to the Koran Muslims believe that they must take Israel back. Israel is going to have to deal with those nations, and that seems to be a fulfillment of Psalm 83.

Gog-Magog Battle
The second prophetic war which will break Islam's hold comes from the Gog-Magog Battle of Ezekiel 38-39. This battle involves an outer ring from Israel of Islamic nations like Turkey, Iran, the 'Stan countries, and Libya. All will have come together against Israel with Russia, led by their leader designated Gog, but to no avail. God supernaturally destroys their armies with fire and infighting and storms. So, it seems a definite when you read the Bible that prophetically Islam as a belief system is crushed during that time period before the Tribulation.

Conventional War of the Antichrist
The third prophetic war involves the many remaining Muslims living in Indonesia, in India, and other places in Asia. What about them? Well, we read about the Conventional War of the Antichrist in the beginning of the Tribulation when a quarter of the world's population is killed. The Antichrist in order to have the world worship him, he must stamp out all competing ideologies, especially all the ones that believe in a monotheistic system. We know that he continually persecutes the Jews and Christians during the Tribulation, and Israel is constantly under attack. Islam would be another competing religion that just can't be allowed to exist along with the Antichrist as he rises out of the European Union, the revived Roman Empire.

So, in summary, I believe those three wars will stomp out Islam before or just at the beginning of the Tribulation. The world will be a very different place when the Antichrist takes over.

August Rosado: So, what you are saying, Nathan, is that Islam is not going to be a factor during the Tribulation?

Nathan Jones: Correct. That's a big paradigm shift for people, because we look in the news and right now Islam seems the biggest threat to the world with it totalitarian, unyielding, unmerciful view that it must conquer the world for Allah. The Koran teaches that all infidels either must be killed or pay tribute and be made subject to Islam. That totalitarian ideology looks like if it continues into the next 25-30 years will succeed in conquering the world. But, when you look at the Bible prophecies about these wars, they really hit the very heart of the Islamic world hard.

When Allah can't stand up to the God of the Jews, and certainly during Gog and Magog, inevitably many Muslims will lose faith in Allah. We see from Revelation that there will be a great multitude of people who have given their lives to Jesus during the Tribulation hardships. They get saved in great numbers, but they are martyred for their faith by the Antichrist. It could well be that many of those Muslims who have lost their faith in Allah will turn to Jesus Christ and be saved. Many of those multitudes might be former Muslims.

August Rosado: Yes, Jimmy DeYoung believes that one out of three Arabs will be killed probably during the first half of the Tribulation period due to the wars of Ezekiel 38-39, Daniel 11:40, and Psalm 83. He also believes that Islam will not be a factor during the Tribulation period. As you said, Islam will not be allowed to compete with the global rule of the Antichrist.

So, what you are telling Joe is that these two legs of Nebuchadnezzar's dream would represent the Western and the Eastern Roman Empire, but not Islam.

Nathan Jones: Correct.


In the seventh segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will explore the origins of the Antichrist as prophesied in the Bible.

Friday, May 24, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: Tribulation Today

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Are we today living in the Tribulation?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

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Tribulation Today Prophets

Nathan Jones: One of the most frustrating things about serving in a Bible prophecy ministry is that other Bible prophecy ministries like Irvin Baxter for example continues to say that we are now living in the Tribulation. Every time something is on the news these "Tribulation Today" prophets will yell, "Ah-ha, look! Look! See, the Bible says this news event is an actual fulfillment of prophecy."

Then you've got guys like Harold Camping trying to set dates, and they always fail. They too look at the news today and declare, "Well, that fulfills this prophecy and that fulfills that Bible prophecy." Certainly, there are prophecies being fulfilled today, for instance Israel becoming a nation once again, and the people of Israel coming back to the land again. Those are tried and true fulfillments. But, to turn on the news and then say, "Oh, the Boston bombing that fulfills this verse, so therefore…" That is crazy! Unfortunately, people who aren't very familiar with their Bible or Bible prophecy quickly believe guys like Irvin Baxter and some of the other sensationalists.

August Rosado: I've been warned many, many times about this Irvin Baxter guy. I was preaching at a prophecy conference in West Texas, and before I walked down the aisle to talk with the pastor after the service his wife approached me and said, "Brother Rosado, this guy over there is going head to head with my husband about something you preached. Could you please go over there and talk to him?" And so, I walked over there and I see the guy and he's almost in the pastor's face just blabbing away. I asked, "What's going on here?" He looked right at me and yells, "You are deceiving the people!" I replied, "Sir, how am I deceiving the people?" He answered, "Because you said that we are not in the Tribulation yet and the Church will be raptured before the Tribulation period. You are deceiving the people. We are in the Tribulation period right now because Irvin Baxter, Jr. says we are in the Tribulation period right now."

In response to this guy's claim that we are living in the Tribulation, I asked, "Okay, Sir, if you can show me where the Church is mentioned in Matthew 24 or between the Tribulation judgments of Revelation 6 thru 19, if you can show me where the Church is there, right now I will believe every single word that you are telling me." He looked at me, Nathan, and simply didn't know what to say. He got so upset that he turned around and he stormed right out of the church.

So, it's interesting that you mentioned that fellow Irvin Baxter, Jr., and you are right, for he says we are now living in the Tribulation period, and that's absolutely moronic. The reason again for such wild interpretation is that it boils down to allegorizing and spiritualizing the Bible and making it read anyway you want. Frankly, I can't understand how Christians can follow such a guy like Irvin Baxter, Jr., Harold Camping, and any other guys like him who use the news to interpret the Bible.

Nathan Jones: I think they see how bad the world has gotten and how dangerous it now is. Like you said earlier, the heart attacks are on the increase, along with crime and war. They wonder, "How can it get much worse?" Well, Brother, as you know, the Tribulation is going to be far worse, especially when the first four Seal Judgments are opened. With those we are talking about a quarter of the world dying from total world war, possibly even World War 3. Then Revelation 6 paints the terrifying picture concerning all the famine and pestilence and death that will come because of that war as food systems are no longer functioning anymore. Half of the world's population — 3.5 billion people in today's numbers — will die horribly just within the first year or so of the Tribulation. So, there is absolutely no way that we are living in the Tribulation right now.

August Rosado: Yes, and a Preterists would say there will be no future Tribulation period because everything prophetic was fulfilled in 70 AD. My argument to them is, if everything was fulfilled in 70 AD, and we see these prophecies like Zechariah 14:12 where it talks about men whose eyes will be consumed in their sockets and their tongues will be consumed in their mouths, what type of weapon would the Romans have 2,000 years ago that would have destroyed all life on earth as we know it like that? The Preterist claim is absolutely moronic.

Nathan Jones: Yes, it's so unfortunate when people try to fit the Bible into their worldview, instead of letting their worldview be shaped by the Bible.


In the sixth segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will see if Islam has a role in these last days and what wars related to them are prophesied in the Bible.

Thursday, May 23, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: United States in Prophecy

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Where does the United States fit into end time Bible prophecy?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

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Looking for the United States in Prophecy

August Rosado: Many try to find the United States in Bible prophecy. They'll pull passages like Isaiah 18, and then they'll jump over to Revelation 17-18 and declare that the'vey found America in Bible prophecy. All the biblical scholars back through time never found the United States in Bible prophecy, but some today believe they've finally found America in the Bible. How do they even come to this conclusion — that they've found America in Bible prophecy? Are there are specific references to the United States in the Bible? Are there general references to America in prophecy? What do you have to say about that?

Nathan Jones: Let's answer your first question: "Why are people always looking for America in Bible prophecy?" It's as if the United States is the only country on the planet. An Australian once wrote me and said, "American's always think they are in the middle of everything." That is so true. We are obsessed with the idea that America is in Bible prophecy.

I think why Americans are so curious about the US being in Bible prophecy is because we interpret Bible prophecy based on current events. What is in the newspapers today? Right now, politically and socially, the United States exerts more power than any other nation.

But, people have a hard time understanding that the Tribulation is a time period unlike any other. The total political systems of the world, the economic systems, the social systems, the religious systems — they will all be vastly different during the Tribulation than they are today. We can't look at the way the world is currently set up and conclude that today's world is also the world of the Tribulation, because the Bible paints a very different picture of what that future time period will look like than how it presently is arranged.

August, to address your second question: "Where do people get the idea that the United States is in Bible prophecy?" Obviously, the Bible doesn't right out write "The United States of America" or any name similar. It's just not named, so people have to infer it in Scripture.

Isaiah 18 — Tall and Smooth People
The chapters you gave plus some others are the ones that I would have given that people look to. People turn to Isaiah 18 where it talks about a tall and smooth people who are feared far and wide that live in a nation which is powerful and a river divides it. People will then conclude, "Look! The Mississippi separates the United States. It is a powerful nation. Therefore, Isaiah 18 must be about the United States." But, you've got to look at context whenever you are interpreting Bible prophecy. We must look at the context, and that context is about the land of Cush, which is modern-day Ethiopia. The dividing river is the Nile River. So, Isaiah 18 clearly isn't a prophecy about the United States.

Ezekiel 38 — Village of Tarshish
A second scripture people will turn to find the United States in Bible prophecy is the mention of the village of Tarshish, which is found in Ezekiel 38. Ezekiel 38 concerns the Gog-Magog Battle, when Russia and an outer ring from Israel of Islamic nations will come against Israel. God will supernaturally destroy this vast army, and then the whole world will know that God is truly on the scene. The supernatural defeat is God's return back in the public's eye again. People will specifically read Ezekiel 38:13, which talks about the merchants of Tarshish and its villages, or young lions, depending on the translation. They will conclude, "Tarshish is England, therefore the young lions must be its colonies: the United States, Canada, Australia, and countries like us."

Of any of the possible biblical reference to the United States in Bible prophecy, I would say that Ezekiel 38:13 is the best possibility. But, then again, we really don't know that Tarshish is England. The people of Ezekiel's time thought the end of the world — Tarshish — was Spain, so that would really make the young lions then the hispanic nations of South and Central America. Therefore, this verse then becomes a hard one to pin on the United States.

Anyway, if Ezekiel 38:13 contains a reference to the United States, the country we are told in that passage sits the battle out and lets Russia and those Islamic nations attack Israel. These young lions sit out the battle and barely give it a protest, which when you think about it, sounds exactly like what our current administration would do.

Revelation 12:13-17 — Great Eagle
The third passage people go to in an attempt to find the United States in Bible prophecy is Revelation 12:13-17. There it talks about a great eagle, and the wings of the great eagle will carry the women Israel into a hiding place. In other words, the United States will step in and protect Israel from the Antichrist. But, we just have to go to Exodus 19:4 to realize the eagle isn't the United States. The eagle is talking about God. God is what protects Israel and takes her out of harm's way.

Again, the United States is not a great force during the Tribulation that will be protecting Israel. As a matter of fact, all the nations of the world during the Tribulation we are told will be against Israel. The United States will be one of them.

Revelation 18 — Babylon the Great
Speaking of the Tribulation, the fourth passage people look to find the United States in end time Bible prophecy would be Revelation 18, which talks about Babylon the Great. As you know, August, there are whole ministries dedicated to trying to prove that the United States is Babylon the Great, this great one-world harlot system that comes against Israel. It truth, it's a religious system as well as the Antichrist's political system.

Again, the United States is one of all the nations set against Israel. It's not the Antichrist's empire that controls the entire world. So, to use that reference is really an attempt to try and pigeon-toe the United States into that Babylon entity. I don't believe that's the case there in Revelation 17-18.

Clearly the Antichrist does not rise out of the United States. He rises out of the revived Roman Empire according to Daniel 9, so therefore I have to conclude that the United States isn't the one world religious or political system of the Tribulation time period.

General Prophecies
I do see the United States in some general prophecies, prophecies that don't state the United States specifically, but would concern the United States. Take for example Isaiah 34:2-3 which declares that all the nations will be judged for their behavior against Israel. Certainly when the United States tries to separate Israel's land and divide it — the Two State Solution — we always seem to get hit by God weather-wise as a reminder not to harm the "apple of God's eye."

Isaiah 34 also talks about all the nations of the world ceasing to exist except Israel during the Millennial Kingdom, though there are some other references to Egypt and Syria bringing tribute to Israel during the Millennial Kingdom in another passage.

If anywhere the United States falls within Bible prophecy, it's where all the nations of the world come against Israel during the Tribulation. At that time the United States will no longer be a friend of Israel anymore. It will be part of the Antichrist's government, and part of his empire. Whatever form the United States takes during that time period, it one will be part of the Antichrist's empire, and two it will be part of that satanic force that will try to destroy Israel. Unfortunately, that is the destiny of the United States.

August Rosado: Yes, I agree with you there, Nathan.

I was reading the Biblical Archaeology Review magazine. It's one of my favorite magazines for being updated on recent archaeological discoveries. Hershel Shanks did a segment on ancient Tarshish, and he said that archaeologists actually found ancient Tarshish, which is known today as modern-day Tartessos which is in southern Spain. But, these guys who try to find America in prophecy will say that Tarshish is Great Britain's colonies like Australia and the United States, founded by English speaking immigrants. That just doesn't fit the bill at all. Tarshish is located in southern Spain, not in America, not in Great Britain, and certainly not in Australia.

Getting back to Isaiah 18, these guys who say they have found America there in that prophecy will also say that's America because it says "woe to the lands shadowing with wings," and wings are a symbol of the United States. Then as you said they go to Revelation 12 about the great eagle's wings and conclude that must again be referring to America. The main problem with their interpretation is that these guys allegorize and spiritualize the Bible to make it sound anyway that they want.


In the fifth segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will ponder Irvin Baxter's claim that we are now living in the Tribulation and what the Bible truly says are the conditions of these last days.

Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: Financial Collapse

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Is a world-wide economic collapse prophesied in the Bible?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

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Financial Collapse

Nathan Jones: Fear plays largely into the end times. Not only are we talking about terrorist attacks which of course are undermining people's confidence, but how society now being so connected economically as well as socially also makes this fragile world a more frightening place. Every time there's some sort of stock market calamity, it effects the entire world. Take for instance in 2000-2002, the tenth worse stock market crash ever happened, and it lasted over 999 days with a 37.8% loss in income.

Then we had the crash of 2008, which we are still reeling from globally, where 1.2 trillion dollars was lost and the stock market went down interestingly enough 777 points. People lost two trillion dollars of their overall retirement savings. The cost of living for what was $100 just four to five years ago is now only worth $45, resulting in more than half of the value of our money is now gone.

And yet, as bad as it is now, we know that during the Tribulation the Bible reveals that from the Third Seal Judgment of Revelation 5:6 that humanity will soon be facing a worldwide economic collapse. In response to that disaster, the Antichrist and the False Prophet who will be the rulers of the world during that time period, they will institute a global financial system. People will readily join into that system to rescue themselves from the famines and the horrible distress that worldwide economic collapse brings.

We can clearly see today the fragility and stresses on the worldwide economy, so much so that economic collapse is not a matter of if, but when, the structure is going to finally collapse. When this happens to the entire economic system, the world will naturally in desperation look for a ruler to take charge and bring some sort of order back from the chaos. Economic collapse also results in temporary lawlessness. Lawlessness will increase along with terrorism and crime, contributing to driving the world to some sort of ruler for whatever hope they can get.

So, while it's an exciting time to live, it's also a terrible time, wouldn't you agree? I can indeed then see why heart attacks are on the rise, because it is indeed a fearful time to live in.

August Rosado: Yes, you make a good point there. Nathan. It looks like today's conditions that we are witnessing right now are setting the stage for the Man of Sin to come on the scene, this Antichrist mentioned in 1 John 2:18, to take advantage of the devolving situations which we are witnessing coming together by and large right now. The Antichrist will institute his own economic global institution, which I believe we find that explained in Revelation 13:16-18. Definitely, I believe the conditions are ripe right now for this man to come on the scene and take control of a future revived Roman Empire in which students of Bible prophecy like myself and others believe is currently being fulfilled in the European Union.

Nathan Jones: I totally agree. Humanity is being set up for something big, and clearly all the pieces are ready to fall into place. We are just looking for that one impetus that will get this chain of final events started. Like dominoes, the economies of the world will all eventually fall down.


In the fourth segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will explore where the United States stands in end time Bible prophecy and what verses do or do not prophecy its role in these last days.

Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: Terrorism

Nathan JonesMP3By

Does the Bible speak of terrorism in the last days?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

August Rosado and Nathan Jones

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Prophesied Terrorism

August Rosado: As you know, right in my own backyard here in Massachusetts, our neck of the woods, a few weeks back the Boston Marathon bombing happened. Two brothers of Chechen origin with ties to some type of Islamic radical group there in Russia carried out a very heinous attack by setting up two explosives in pressure cookers. They detonated these bombs killing three people, one an eight year old child, and wounded over 200 people. Some lost arms and legs. Finally, one of the brothers died in a shoot-out with the police. The other brother is in federal custody.

I've been getting a lot of emails related to the Boston Marathon bombing in relation to it being one of the signs of Bible prophecy. So, my question to you to start off is, does the Bible speak of terrorism in the last days as a fulfilment of Bible prophecy?

Nathan Jones: To answer, let's first go to Luke 21. Jesus Christ in Luke 21, with parallel passages in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, gives us ten specific signs that we could look out for in the last days. There has definitely been parts of these ten signs through partial fulfillment that have occurred before the Temple fell in 70 AD, and again during the end times before Jesus comes in the Rapture. There will be final fulfillment of these ten signs during the Tribulation just before Jesus' Second Coming. The coming of these signs are like birth pains as they come more frequent and intense the closer until Jesus returns. This prophetic perspective tells us there is a near fulfillment during 70 AD, a far fulfillment at the end of the Church Age before the Rapture, and then a farther fulfillment which is during the Tribulation before the Second Coming of Christ.

The first of those ten signs of the end times prophesies a great increase in false messiahs. Second, a great increase in wars. Third, a great increase in earthquakes. Fourth, a great increase in famines. Fifth, a great increase in pestilence. Sixth, a great increase in fearful events. Seventh, great signs coming from the sky. Eighth, a terrible persecution of Christians. Ninth, the fall and attack by the whole world which is focused on Jerusalem. And, number ten which is the good sign out of all ten signs, is the return of Jesus Christ, first by taking the Church up by the Rapture to where Jesus is in the clouds to be with Him to protect the Church from that horrible seven year Tribulation, and then again when Jesus returns at the end of the Tribulation in the Second Coming.

Sign number six is the fearful events that will befall the world. Jesus is talking about fearful social events, say for instance, terrorism. He's also covering economic events as we are looking down the barrel of an impending economic collapse that will affect the whole planet. So, yes, I believe that when the Bible reveals there will be a great increase in upheavals and unrest, with nations fighting against nation, or ethnos/ethnic group against ethnic groups, and religion against religion, it is also talking about terrorism. I would say definitely yes, August, the Bible does indeed talk about how we will see a great increase in these types of fearful events happening upon the world, with terrorism then being part of those fearful social events.

August Rosado: You mentioned Luke 21, but specifically verse 25-26, where Jesus says that there shall be signs in the sun, in the moon, and the stars upon the earth. He uses this phrase, "Distress on nations." That's very interesting that Jesus would use that term, because we are seeing this happen right now.

Jesus says, "Distress on nations," then He uses this phrase, "with perplexity the sea and the waves roaring." Then in verse 26, Jesus reveals that, "Men's hearts failing them for fear." I sort of look at that as if Jesus was talking about heart failure. When you look at the 9/11 attacks of 12 years ago back in 2001, according to the Psychology Today website, two months after 9/11 there was a 35% increase in heart attacks. Even there at the Boston bombing there were reports of people suffering mild heart attacks. And yet, Jesus tells us in verse 26 of men's hearts failing them for fear as they look at these things which are coming on the earth, and that the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. So, I find it to be very interesting that Jesus would make that statement.


In the third segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will look at the stock market crash of 2008 and see if financial fear has in these last days prophesied in the Bible.

Monday, May 20, 2013

Current Prophetic Events: Ending in Israel

Nathan JonesMP3By

Will all believers in Christ end up in Israel one day?

On Saturday, April 27, 2013, I was interviewed by host August Rosado of the BlogTalkRadio show Signs of the Times. August is a Bible prophecy teacher and preacher and founder of a ministry called Today in Bible Prophecy. He has and continues to be a personable guest on our television program Christ in Prophecy. He and I spent some time discussing prophetic trends and events that we are seeing occurring today.

August Rosado and Nathan Jones

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Ending in Israel

August Rosado: Brother, it's so good to have you back on the show! I've been looking forward to this for a while now. How's everything going there at Lamb & Lion Ministries?

Nathan Jones: Ministry has been really busy, for as you know, so many people have been getting interested in what's going on in the world. Even people who are not really knowledgeable about the Bible see and understand that something big is moving in the world and they want to know where it's all going.

We are so fortunate as believers in Christ to have the Bible, and 31% of the Bible is God's prophetic word. God wants us to know what the future holds, more or less not in extreme detail, but as much as God wants us to know. It's just great to share the Gospel with people as we proclaim God's prophetic word and hope-giving message of the soon return of Jesus Christ.

August Rosado: Amen, Brother! That's what Bible prophecy is all about — sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. And, yes indeed, something big is happening in the world right now, and it's telling me that Jesus Christ is coming sooner rather than later. There's so much going on right now that the one hour we have together just doesn't do our conversation justice. We could go on for the next three hours and still talk about what's going on in the world right now, especially in Israel, the Middle East, and even in our very own backyard. I believe current events are setting the stage for Bible prophecy to be fulfilled.

Now, tell me, Lamb & Lion's Senior Evangelist, Dr. David Reagan, just came back from Israel, right? He lead a tour and also went there to shoot some "Christ in Prophecy" programs?

Nathan Jones: Yes, he did. Dr. Reagan leads tours to Israel one or two times every year depending on conditions. We'll have another tour in or around March 2014, and we are also going to have another tour of Israel near the end of October and beginning of November of 2013. It is still tentative right now, but if people want to come and join that tour, they can go to our website at lamblion.com and at least get on the waiting list as we get more information together.

August, when you said that your ministry will host a tour of Israel in March 2014, it might be a whole different-looking Israel by 2014.

August Rosado: Yes, that's right, taking into consideration what's going on over in Israel right now, anything could happen. After all, it is the Middle East!

Today in Bible Prophecy just got back from Israel this past March and we just had a wonderful, wonderful time. We had a great group of people join us on the tour. Like I say, there's nothing like teaching Bible prophecy on location, where it was all written and where it is all going to come down. We just had a wonderful time with this group. I look forward to going back there again, unless the Lord takes us home, that is.

Nathan Jones: Amen, Brother! And then, we will all still end up in Israel one day, right?

August Rosado: We will end up in Israel. I told people in our tour that if we get raptured in Israel it's only going to be a domestic flight. I tell people that all the time.


In the second segment of August Rosado's and my discussion of current prophetic trends and events, we will get to it and lament the Boston Marathon bombing, as well as see if terrorism in these last days was prophesied in the Bible.

Friday, May 17, 2013

The Man of Lawlessness: God and America

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On March 16, 2013, I was interviewed by Jan Markell, Founder and President of Olive Tree Ministries. Jan has written eight major books with prominent Christian publishing houses. She has produced a dozen DVDs, some featured on Sky Angel. At one time she traveled full time across America as a speaker. Since 2000, Jan has been broadcasting her nationally syndicated "Understanding the Times" radio program over the airwaves and Internet. It is a great source of news and commentary-driven information.

Jan and I spent the one hour radio program discussing the characteristics and heritage of the Antichrist, called The Man of Lawlessness, and the False Prophet. We remind people that the catastrophic calamities happening today are setting the stage for the Tribulation when all this mystery unfolds.

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Too Late For America

Jan Markell: Do you think it is too late for America? Has God turned his back on America?

Dr. Reagan: I do. I have written what is called A Prophetic Manifesto. In that Prophetic Manifesto, I asked this question: "Is there any hope for America?" I also answered and said, "No, our only hope is Jesus, and thus we have no hope, for we have rejected Him. We have turned our back on the very God who made us great and showered us with blessings. We have forgotten that God's Word teaches that to those whom much is given, much is expected." Yes, as long as we've got our eyes on Jesus, there is hope. But, we've reached the point where people could just care less.

Get on the Internet these days and you will see virulent hatred expressed on the Internet against anything Christian, even against Christians themselves. It's scary the attitudes that exist out there, because when you get right to it, the only religions in the world that requires anything of anybody morally really are Islam and Christianity which requires morality, and people don't like that. They don't want a religion that requires anything of them morally.

Jan Markell: There's a story out in your neck of the woods down in Texas very recently about some students I think being forced to dress up in women's burkas. I was interviewed about it. It just shows you how the tide of our times has changed so dramatically here in the last 10 to 15 years.

Dr. Reagan: That's right, and if the teacher had done anything at all related to the Christian religion, he would have been fired.

Jan Markell: Exactly!

Dr. Reagan: Jan, one thing that I would like to touch on is the fact that this book of mine, The Man of Lawlessness: The Antichrist in the Tribulation, has a whole section in it where I get the opinions of 22 different Bible prophecy experts on five questions. I think that's probably the most interesting part of the book.

Jan Markell: I appreciated that. David, has the opinion of a number of people from Gary Fisher to Gary Frasier to Arnold Fruchtenbaum to Phillip Goodman, Ed Hindson, Mark Hitchcock, David Hocking, Dave Hunt, Noah Hutchings, Terri James, Nathan Jones, Tim LaHaye and others who are weighing in to the book here, as well as Chuck Missler, Ron Rhodes, and many more. I do recommend this book. If the topic of the Antichrist intrigues you, there is a lot of information on end times in this book.


Tribulation Second Chance

I want to ask you one last question, David. Do you believe that there is a second chance during the Tribulation if you've heard the Gospel and rejected it today? Will people get a second chance in the Tribulation?

Dr. Reagan: That's a good question! When I interviewed those 25 people on that question at the Pre-Trib Conference, half of them said "yes" and the other half said "no." Disagreement over this point is just one of those things. I think that anybody who thinks they'll just put off accepting the Lord because they believe they'll have a chance during the Tribulation better be careful.

Jan Markell: Let me close by saying that we are living in one of the most significant days in history that the world has ever known. We are living in the days by which the Bible referred to more than any other time frame — the Last Days. It's both a privilege and a challenge to be born for such a time as this.

We've been talking about events at the end of the age, and the Bible says in Luke 21 that when you see some of these things begin to come to pass, then lift up your heads and know your Redeemer draws near. When these end times signs begin to come to pass, then we are to look for His return.

The Bible is unique. It's the only book that dares to place its entire credence that it can tell in advance concerning what will take place. The Bible says what events are going to take place, and they actually do come to pass. So, the Bible is a very unique book. It's the road map for getting through what's called today the "last of the last days."

Thursday, May 16, 2013

The Man of Lawlessness: Decline of Society

Dr. David R. ReaganMP3By

On March 16, 2013, I was interviewed by Jan Markell, Founder and President of Olive Tree Ministries. Jan has written eight major books with prominent Christian publishing houses. She has produced a dozen DVDs, some featured on Sky Angel. At one time she traveled full time across America as a speaker. Since 2000, Jan has been broadcasting her nationally syndicated "Understanding the Times" radio program over the airwaves and Internet. It is a great source of news and commentary-driven information.

Jan and I spent the one hour radio program discussing the characteristics and heritage of the Antichrist, called The Man of Lawlessness, and the False Prophet. We remind people that the catastrophic calamities happening today are setting the stage for the Tribulation when all this mystery unfolds.

Jan Markell
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Decline of Society

Jan Markell: David, I'm looking at your March-April Lamplighter magazine. People can go to your website at lamblion.com to sign up for a hard copy, or to read it online. I happen to read it online. You've got an article in there under the headline of school shootings where you say, "After the recent school shooting tragedy in Connecticut, I noticed that the TV news programs focused on interviewing psychologists and psychiatrists as they sought an explanation for the senseless rampage. Most of what I heard in response to their questions was what I would call psychobabble. But, their questions got me thinking. It occurred to me that during the time that I was in public school from the first grade in 1945 to my senior year in 1956, there were no such massacres, and that caused me to wonder, 'What has changed?'."

David, you went on in this article to list some of the things that have changed. I think it would be a great perspective to hear your perception of how things have changed.

Dr. Reagan: Society has changed very radically, and it's changed very fast. The pace is just breath-taking.

One of society's dramatic changes is the way in which the court has reinterpreted the First Amendment. The First Amendment never put up a barrier between the State and religion. All it did was put up a barrier between the State creating, supporting, or establishing a church. People in recent years have taken the First Amendment and said, "Oh, what that really means is a separation of the State and religion, and we can't have any type of religious influence." That is not what our Constitution says!

When I was going to school, we had Easter plays. We had Christmas plays. We had Bible readings every day. We had prayer every day. Our English readers were made up of Bible stories with a moral at the end. This was true throughout American history. It's been true since the very beginning. And then, suddenly, it all began to change in 1962 when the court outlawed prayer in the public schools, and again in 1980 when the courts outlawed even the 10 Commandments being shown on the wall behind the Supreme Court justices. Detractors say, "Oh, no, we can't have the 10 Commandments seen."

Another dramatic change to society was the closing of the Evolution debate. When I was growing up, we heard both sides in class. The Evolutionists then said, "All we want is equal time." Today they say, "No, we want all the time. We don't even want people to be introduced to the very concept that there could be a Creator God." We are teaching our children that they are simply evolved from some sort of primeval mud and that they are on the same level as an animal. Then we wonder why they act like animals!

Next would be the transformation of the entertainment industry, which has probably been one of the greatest factors of them all. When I was growing up, entertainment was the movies, and movies had a right and wrong; they had a moral to them. They did not have filthy language. They were wholesome and they always talked about good triumphing over evil. Today, when you go to see a movie, you can't tell who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. The bad guys usually end up winning one way or the other.

Of course, I didn't have TV when I was growing up. I didn't see my first television until 1952, and television started off very wholesome. We watched programs like The Life of Riley, I Love Lucy, Father Knows Best, the Nelson Family. They were wonderful programs. Today, if you put the Nelson family on, people would die laughing. Our model today in the Osbourne family, a totally dysfunctional family.

Then there's the computer revolution. Today, a little child can get on the computer and type a few keys, and low and behold, they are watching pornography. It happened to my wife who was a first grade teacher. She asked her first graders to write an essay about an animal. One boy picked the cheetah. So, he goes to the computer and types in "cheetah" and the first thing that pops up is a topless woman who goes by the name of Cheetah. He's on a porn site — just unbelievable!

Then there's the evolution of the Church. When I was a kid, we went to church on Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night, Vacation Bible School, and Gospel meetings. Today, most people go to church once a week on Sunday morning, and their kids are exposed to the Word of God for one hour. Then, the rest of the week, they are in a classroom where they are exposed to pagan ideas. It's no wonder that we have the problems that we have!

To give you a drastic contrast, when I graduated from High School in 1956, our parking lot always had about 100 pick-up trucks every day. In those pick-up trucks were gun racks, and on those gun racks were a deer rifle, a .22, and a shotgun. Often they had a pistol in the glove compartment, and nobody worried about those guns. Nobody was concerned about them, because we had grown up with Christian morality. Today, we have a whole generation who doesn't even know what Christian morality is. As I end the article I say, "The answer to why there is so much violence today is that we have put the guns in the hands of moral pigmies — people who simply don't know what morality is all about."


In the sixth and last segment of Jan Markell's interview of Dr. David Reagan about his book The Man of Lawlessness: The Antichrist in the Tribulation, they will ponder whether it is too late for America morally to turn around.

Wednesday, May 15, 2013

The Man of Lawlessness: Famine of Interest

Dr. David R. ReaganMP3By

On March 16, 2013, I was interviewed by Jan Markell, Founder and President of Olive Tree Ministries. Jan has written eight major books with prominent Christian publishing houses. She has produced a dozen DVDs, some featured on Sky Angel. At one time she traveled full time across America as a speaker. Since 2000, Jan has been broadcasting her nationally syndicated "Understanding the Times" radio program over the airwaves and Internet. It is a great source of news and commentary-driven information.

Jan and I spent the one hour radio program discussing the characteristics and heritage of the Antichrist, called The Man of Lawlessness, and the False Prophet. We remind people that the catastrophic calamities happening today are setting the stage for the Tribulation when all this mystery unfolds.

Jan Markell
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Famine of Interest

Jan Markell: With all the intriguing issues related to the end of the age that are prevalent today, Bible prophecy ought to be very intriguing to everybody. David, you have been in the realm of eschatology longer than I have, and I'm sure things have changed enormously since you first went into ministry, but I have a question that I realize there is no answer to. Will we ever, ever get the Church interested in these topics? Or, should I say, get re-interested? They was a revival of interest in Bible prophecy some 25 years ago. What do you think happened? And, will we ever get people to have any kind of that same interest again?

Dr. Reagan: You bring up a very sad topic for me, because I've been preaching the soon return of Jesus Christ now for almost 35 years. I've seen the churches' interest in prophecy wane rather than grow. That's really disappointing to me, because it seems to me that the signs of the times are literally shouting from the heavens that Jesus is about to return. And yet, here the Church is simple ignoring it and they are not preaching about it. They are not teaching about Jesus coming back. They are not telling people how to get ready for the Lord's return. They are not teaching the hope of the Lord's return.

It seems that most churches today are primarily concerned about one thing — what can we do to increase attendance? Many unfortunately are going to entertainment, or they are going to a sort of seeker-friendly type of sermon where you never mention sin, repentance, or the blood of Christ. Churches today are preaching a water downed Gospel and certainly are not really preaching Bible prophecy.

Jan, when I talk to pastors about why they leave out the third of the Bible that's God's prophetic word, I ask them, "Why don't you ever preach about Bible prophecy?" Usually what they say to me is, "Well, prophecy is just kind of pie-in-the-sky. I have a congregation full of people who have all sorts of serious problems. I have dope addicts. I've got alcoholics. I have people involved in extra-marital affairs. I then have got to preach sermons that are down to earth and have to do with the problems people are facing now.

My response to that is, "I understand exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from, but you don't understand the message of Bible prophecy." I then point out to them that if you can ever convince people of two things concerning Bible prophecy you will change their lives. If you can convince them that one, Jesus really is coming back. Sure, most Christians believe that in their minds, but they don't believe it in their heart that He is really is coming back. And then, two, that Jesus' return is an event that could occur at any moment. If you convince people of those two things, you will motivate them to holy living and evangelism. I don't know what could be more practical than a message that motivates people to evangelism and holy living.

Jan Markell: I totally agree! I don't understand, like a hand fitting in a glove, the topics of end times and evangelism naturally go together.

Dr. Reagan: I also think, too, that a lot of pastors identify Bible prophecy as total sensationalism. They are convinced Bible prophecy has to do with people setting dates all the times, and making sensational claims. Sadly, those things do happen. There are times when I'm embarrassed to be a Bible prophecy teacher because of the wackos who are setting dates. I remember when Y2K was coming around, and some people thought the world would be coming to an end. They believed American society would cease to exist! It's a really sad situation.

Jan Markell: There's a Lutheran pastor in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area about seven or eight years ago now, who I knew well. It was a fairly solid Lutheran church, and it still is for that matter. This Lutheran pastor put on a series on eschatology in his particular Lutheran church. He did a very fine job. I happened to watch online, and I commend him for it. One of his church members came up to him afterwards, and he later told this story from the pulpit. The church member said, "My life is so filled with problems and with conflict and heartaches, and yet you want to sit here and preach about these end times. You want to talk about this nation of Israel. How is that possibly healing the hurts in my life?" This pastor replied to the gentleman, "If you would first of all bless Israel, some of the issues in your life might turn around." He actually gave that illustration! Other people in this particular Lutheran church were also bucking the series of messages on end times from this very strong Lutheran church in our area. I found that to be an interesting story.


In the fifth segment of Jan Markell's interview of Dr. David Reagan about his book The Man of Lawlessness: The Antichrist in the Tribulation, they will point out events that have radically changed modern society in preparation for the coming of the Antichrist.