By Nathan Jones
Will the legalization of homosexual marriage result in the legalization of all sexual deviancies?
We asked this question on our television show Christ in Prophecy of Carl Gallups, senior pastor of Hickory Hammock Baptist Church in Milton, Florida, and the author of the best-selling books The Rabbi who Found Messiah and one of the best apologetics book called The Magic Man in the Sky. He is also the founder of the world famous PPSIMMONS YouTube channel and prominent Freedom Friday radio talk show host.
Dr. Reagan: One of the things that comes to mind, Carl, when you talk about unprecedented events happening today is something that President Obama has done ever since he came to office, and that I just consider an abomination. Every June President Obama issues a proclamation that proclamation honors and celebrates the LGBT community — lesbian, bi-sexual, gay, and transgendered community. A President of the United States celebrating this and then asking the nation to celebrate it?
Every time President Obama has made his proclamation, and he has done it every June, I've written him a letter or I sent an email. Of course I never get a response when I express my amazement over why he does this and why his actions are unbiblical.
But, this last time I decided to take a different approach. I decided to become sarcastic. So, I sent him a letter and I said, "Mr. President, I can't believe you issued this particular declaration, because you claim to be a man who believes in fairness to everyone and discriminating against no one. I want to know why you discriminated in this celebratory proclamation? If you are going to mention lesbians, gay, bi-sexual and transgender, then why in the world didn't you include pedophiles, zoophiles, fornicators, adulterers, and prostitutes? Why are you discriminating against them?" Obviously, I didn't get an answer. Instead, I'll probably get an IRS review.
Carl Gallups: Probably so, yes, you'll likely have your taxes audited this year. You'll get that answer!
This issue is very important to me from a biblical standpoint. The fact that homosexuality exists has been around since the days of Genesis. Homosexuality is nothing new. But, this is my personal opinion based upon my years of research, and I stand room to be corrected. I don't think that God so much brings His judgment on a culture simple because homosexuality exists. That's a person's relationship between God and themselves and their sin nature. But, where God's judgment seems to fall, if I'm understanding the Scriptures correctly, is when a culture celebrates and legalizes and embraces the lifestyle as something that is normal, or declared part of our society. God's judgments falls on that.
Dr. Reagan: To me that's downright scary and I'll tell you why. Romans 1 describes a nation or society in rebellion against God, and is says that when a society begins to rebel against God, God will step back and lower the hedge of protection. The first thing that will happen will be a sexual revolution. That happened in the 60's in this country.
And then Romans says that if the nation refuses to repent, God steps back a second time and lowers the hedge of protection even more, allowing for a plague of homosexuality. Society will embrace women running after women and men after men.
If the nation still refuses to repent, God steps back a third time and lowers the hedge of protection yet again, and this time He turns the society over to a depraved mind. The society actually destroys itself. Romans is just as clear as it can be, and we're seeing this very thing unfolding today.
Carl Gallups: Yes, sadly it is. Before this whole where we are now with the ongoing legalization of homosexual marriage and so on, well before that I shared what this downward slide meant on my radio program. I was decrying back then the radical homosexual movement calling out: "Acknowledge us, acknowledge us, celebrate us; you have to like what we're doing!" I said if this slide continues to go on, it will go to homosexual marriage, but then that will be the impetus for legalizing pedophilia and every other abomination. Believe it or not, that very thing is now happening. I was called all kinds of names on the radio by people. "I'm a bigot!" I can't even share some of the names they used.
Nathan Jones: There was a pedophiles convention held fairly recently. They brought in doctors who specialized in sex to talk about pedophilia. The goal was to try and have their "condition" classified as normal behavior.
In another horrific example, a watchdog group pretended online to be a little girl living out in Asia. They received over 300,000 hits to their website as the pedophiles ask this little 10 year old girl, though she was make believe and computer animated, to take her clothes off. Most of the hits came from the United States! So pedophilia is alive and rampant in the United States right now.
Carl Gallups: Yes, indeed, and that biblically is the natural downhill slide of being given over to a depraved mind.
Dr. Reagan: If a homosexual is going to use their fundamental argument in behalf of homosexuality, that "I was born that way," well then, a pedophile can also say they're "born that way." Likewise, a murderer is "born that way." We all have a fallen sin nature, and it manifests itself in different ways. But you don't say, "Hey, I'm going to celebrate my sin nature." No, you try to put it under the control of the Holy Spirit.
Carl Gallups: That's right. I may have as part of my sin nature, say a really hot temper. I may want to just deck everybody that accosts me. I might even want to kill somebody I get so mad. But, I don't do any of that. Why? Because the Holy Spirit brings that under control. So people say, "I was born this way." Okay, but you need to bring it under control before it consumes you.
Nathan Jones: The movie Gravity came out in late 2013. In one emotional part the main female character is sitting in a capsule in orbit around the earth. She knows she's going to die. Since she knows she's going to die, she cries out, "No one taught me to pray." She says that over and over again, "No one taught me to pray. No one taught me to pray."
We are seeing the fruit of the fact that as we have abandoned God, and for society, no one therefore has taught anybody how to deal with morality, how to deal with life and death, or even how to deal with God. Nobody taught them how to pray.
Getting back then to the Obama Administration's immoral stances, they're not the cause of the problems, are they? They are merely a reflection of society.
Carl Gallups: They are, absolutely. They are just the reflection. Serving in that administration are people who grew up in this culture that has abandoned God, and reflect society's lack of morality.
Dr. Reagan: I love the way you describe this situation, Carl, that it's the exclamation point at the end of the sentence. We have rebelled against God since the 60's overwhelmingly, and God is putting judgment after judgment upon this nation, calling it to repentance.
The Bible teaches that one of the judgments God will put on a nation is He will give them the kind of leaders that they deserve. We have Obama because we deserve Obama. And so, we need to be on our knees crying out to God.
In the fifth and last segment of our interview with Pastor Carl Gallups on America's spiritual crisis, Dr. Reagan will run through the list of anti-Christian behavior exhibited by our current administration.